Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 API SP VOA

[RDY4WAR]

It probably is a better base oil and doesn't need as much.

ZDDP doesn't care about the base oil and vice versa unless you're chasing additive response at specific temperatures. ZDDP forms in mixed and boundary lubrication where there isn't sufficient oil film present so the base oil doesn't matter.

This oil cannot contain that low of ZDDP. It wouldn't be on the shelf with an API SP starburst if it did because API mandates a minimum of 600 ppm phosphorus. All this VOA shows is that Blackstone sucks. If you were to take that same oil sample and send it to ALS, Polaris, PMS, Wearcheck, Speediagnotix, etc... you'd likely get ~20% higher values across the board.

 

[Accent Abuser]

ZDDP doesn't care about the base oil and vice versa unless you're chasing additive response at specific temperatures. ZDDP forms in mixed and boundary lubrication where there isn't sufficient oil film present so the base oil doesn't matter.

This oil cannot contain that low of ZDDP. It wouldn't be on the shelf with an API SP starburst if it did because API mandates a minimum of 600 ppm phosphorus. All this VOA shows is that Blackstone sucks. If you were to take that same oil sample and send it to ALS, Polaris, PMS, Wearcheck, Speediagnotix, etc... you'd likely get ~20% higher values across the board.

Even the product data sheet shows relatively low zddp though. Several of their 0w20 0w16 grades (well known to be largely pao) also have less zddp vs the 5w20 and 5w30. I always assumed it was because it was better base oil.

 

[himemsys]

not at all. The universal averages clearly come from sn or earlier rated oils. The sn plus oils look much different.

I've asked Blackstone before, the Universal Averages on VOAs are not limited to that particular brand. They told me it's the Universal Average for the grade:

The universal averages always show results for the "equipment type" -- in this case, the averages show results from other virgin samples of 5w20 that we've tested. The results in that column only reflect the grade of oil, and are representative of a variety of different brands.

 

[bhvrdr]

This oil cannot contain that low of ZDDP. It wouldn't be on the shelf with an API SP starburst if it did because API mandates a minimum of 600 ppm phosphorus.

Nevermind answered my own question. Phosphorus is supposed to be between 600-800 for api sp?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I don't get why people still use Blackstone. Their results are inconsistent, the comments are a joke, and they're more expensive.

DO you know who PQIA uses, just for purposes of comparison?

 

[daman]

I imagine it would considering the low zddp required, the high KV100, high flashpoint, and the 0W rating.

I've been wanting to try this one but I just can't stop pouring the thick stuff into my crankcase.

Well i use it im my '99 3500 454 towing, its a fine oil for winter and summer.

 

[buster]

 

[4wd]

PAO+PAO+GTL+Grp3 …

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-...5ecbbc7ee5621609cd8ddd78f6bdc3d9&gclsrc=3p.ds

 

[buster]

ZDDP doesn't care about the base oil and vice versa unless you're chasing additive response at specific temperatures. ZDDP forms in mixed and boundary lubrication where there isn't sufficient oil film present so the base oil doesn't matter.

This oil cannot contain that low of ZDDP. It wouldn't be on the shelf with an API SP starburst if it did because API mandates a minimum of 600 ppm phosphorus. All this VOA shows is that Blackstone sucks. If you were to take that same oil sample and send it to ALS, Polaris, PMS, Wearcheck, Speediagnotix, etc... you'd likely get ~20% higher values across the board.

 

[Dogman]

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Can you break this down quickly in simpleton form?

 

[bhvrdr]

ZDDP doesn't care about the base oil and vice versa unless you're chasing additive response at specific temperatures. ZDDP forms in mixed and boundary lubrication where there isn't sufficient oil film present so the base oil doesn't matter.

This oil cannot contain that low of ZDDP. It wouldn't be on the shelf with an API SP starburst if it did because API mandates a minimum of 600 ppm phosphorus. All this VOA shows is that Blackstone sucks. If you were to take that same oil sample and send it to ALS, Polaris, PMS, Wearcheck, Speediagnotix, etc... you'd likely get ~20% higher values across the board.

Doesn't appear to be the case. Heres the same sample with wearcheck. Slightly lower numbers actually.

 

[RDY4WAR]

Either Wearcheck is also wrong or Mobil 1 is lying about that oil being API SP. I'm thinking the former.

 

[bhvrdr]

Polaris is same. Ill post those when i can

 

[RDY4WAR]

Then that's a big problem with Mobil 1. I wouldn't run that oil. API SP clearly states a minimum 0.06% phosphorus.

https://www.api.org/~/media/Files/C...sel/Publications/150918thedition-06282019.pdf

 

[bhvrdr]

I guess. I see the same thing with Pennzoil maximum power 0w30 sn plus. Around 570. I have accounts with 3 labs. AMSOIL Signature Series isnt far off in the 590-620 depending on lab.

Ill still run them

 

[kschachn]

Plus there is more than one type of "ICP" analysis, one or the other is better at measuring phosphorus without interference. It's been a while since I ran spectrography but not all nonmetallic elements measure the same depending on the exact type of machine.

Not saying I know that's the answer, but based on past track history if a blender is producing a finished product that does not meet a license or standard then generally a competitor is hot on their heels.

 

[4wd]

Plus there is more than one type of "ICP" analysis, one or the other is better at measuring phosphorus without interference. It's been a while since I ran spectrography but not all nonmetallic elements measure the same depending on the exact type of machine.

Not saying I know that's the answer, but based on past track history if a blender is producing a finished product that does not meet a license or standard then generally a competitor is hot on their heels.

Without even setting foot in any … I’m betting CVX, RDS, and XOM all have more sophisticated labs and personnel than Blackstone and similar companies …

 

[buster]

One of the Mobil tech guys said the friction modification is different in the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy oils. I don't know what he meant by that and if it had anything to do with the lower ZDP. What if the lower ZDP was offset with some sort of ester? If it meets all of the same specifications, I think it's fine. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy used to meet GM 4718M and Mobil had them both ranked higher in high temperature performance than regular Mobil 1 (per the rating chart). Point being there could be a lot more going on here.

"Why would you assume low phosphorus and low zinc means low on additives? There are plenty of great AW/FM/Dispersents/Detergents/Oxidation Inhibitors/Metal Deactivators and other goodies in a DI package that have no zinc or phosphorus in them. Maybe Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W30 has excellent phosphorus retention (which is part of the resource conserving portion of the API SN/GF-5 certification 600ppm min). Maybe they came up with better ways to prevent wear that isn't just ZDDP. Yes it will work fine for you." - Solarent

"There's about 50 different chemical species in motor oils that do not show themselves in economical VOAs or used oil analysis." - Molekule

 

[bhvrdr]

Interesting the viscosity index is 189 on this oil. By far the highest vi of a 0w30 I've tested.

 

[kschachn]

Interesting the viscosity index is 189 on this oil. By far the highest vi of a 0w30 I've tested.

How did you test the viscosity index?