Well that's the rub, isn't it? Too many engines these days with gummed up rings. Hence the need and high uptake for a product like Valvoline Restore and Protect.
Just curious, which products of Mobil 1 do you think have PAO these days?
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Mobil 1 Extended Performance and Advanced Clean that I know of off the top of my head
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My 2017 Tahoe made a big pile of pristine oil filters trying both of the magic cleaning potions several times …
Of the 0w20's, Extended Protection, Advanced Clean, and ESP. Ow40 ESP and 0w40 Supercar also have it. ESP 0w30 appears to have some, too. Not sure of others because I don't use them except for Euro 0w40 which I have run in my Vette and will do so again once I swap out the Supercar that is in the crank case now. I believe I remember seeing Advanced Clean 5w30 having some, too.
Check the SDS. It gives it away. Of course, I watch for formula changes. For example, the Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w20 used to have up to 30%, but now IIRC, if is up to 20%.
I would have no problem running any of the others, especially Truck & SUV, any of the EP's, and any of the ESP's.
I don't recall any of my engines showing symptoms of gummed up rings.
It was for 500k miles on each engine. The one that ran on synthetic looked clean for the mileage, but it did have a stuck piston ring (dino engine had 7 stuck).
Yeah they have significantly cut back on the amount of PAO used across the line up. As you note, Mobil 1 Extended Performance only has it in 0W-20 now, and in reduced amounts. Obviously all the usual caveats apply. Only the finished product matters etc etc. Probably using more GTL?
Many aren't that lucky these days.
Agree, and frankly I didn't think the one on synthetic (Valvoline Advanced?) looked all that amazing. Had a decent amount of varnish.
One stuck ring after 500,000 miles? That's impressive. And confirms my feeling I should not worry about it.
Sure, but for $2 more each oil change why not just get Valvoline Restore and Protect and know they won't stick?
For people who have been doing something one way for a long time, even when confronted with definitive evidence, it's hard for some to switch even when it's the right decision.
What if the results they've been getting for 25 years have been stellar and proven?
Are they still considered closed minded for not switching to a cleaning oil?
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Over 40 years for Tig - that’s allot of formula changes - but stayed with 10k in NA OHC engines …
Boxer engines aside - could be more of a TDI thing as mentioned in the LSPI comments …
The oil burning issues have been helped in some - however there are even new engines burning oil these days …
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He's got me beat then, the B13 has just under 190,000kms on it now. I live in the middle of Vancouver BC, a city that is undergoing a full-on rebuild infrastructure-wise. A sea of orange construction cones and street closures on all the main throughfares. Driving here is brutal just ask Pablo what he thought of the drivers and roads here.He is in this thread - tig1
The GA16DE is really something. It gets exposed to the worst driving conditions there is with the exception of extreme heat and doesn't miss a beat. 1993 Sentra XE lol.
No lies, it runs the exact same as it did in'05. Just gas, tires, brakes, and many alternators. Just a stud otherwise.
Oh and great in the snow, never needed designated snow tires. Or Valvoline Restore and Protect
I've got friends with brand new cars that are already back at the dealership with issues.
I've never changed a single bulb in this car with the exception of the headlights and that was due to a drl issue which is common apparently.
Every other bulb is original, trunk, dome, marker, tails etc. I keep it because it's personal now.
They don't make cars the same way these days.
I've never changed a single bulb in this car with the exception of the headlights and that was due to a drl issue which is common apparently.
Every other bulb is original, trunk, dome, marker, tails etc. I keep it because it's personal now.
They don't make cars the same way these days.
LOL, 500,000 miles. That's 1/2 million. I thought it looked incredibly good. And it was running very well, IIRC. I mean, what do you expect a gas engine to be like after that time? And that's on Valvoline's base synthetic oil.
That's like looking at a guy who is 118 years of age and saying he looked a little old.
Any gas engine running fine at 500,000 miles represents one heck of an accomplishment. I won't live long enough to put those miles on a single vehicle.
"Know" is a strong word on a product that hasn't been out long.
So show me a 500,000 mile engine that has run on Restore and Protect.
Furthest I've run and engine is to about 260k in a 96 4 Runner. I sold it to my Dad and he continued. Mobil 1 5w30 all the way. No stuck rings. So again, I'm going to now get sludge anxiety because Vavoline came out with an oil that keeps engines clean?
I stick with what's worked. Proven. Demonstrated. Validated. Over the course of over 40 years. And someone here blows schitt about being stuck in the mud and not being willing to try new things?
Sometimes I don't know if this is a comedy forum or if some people really think that way.
I've got high confidence that Restore and Protect is an outstanding product. I think Valvoline makes great oil. I have run a few OCI's on Advanced Synthetic and their Extended Protection. I would have no problem running Valvoline Restore and Protect if I felt the need to do it. But I don't. What I have done has worked as intended and expected in my engines. And they looked nearly perfect under the valve covers after many miles, on the ones I've seen.
Sludge anxiety. Varnish anxiety. They are real. Seek help. I think Blackstone or one of the labs should start a hotline to help with this.
I'm with you but be careful, you may be right on the edge of the ban-hammer around here for being negatively insightful.
Stay the course that's been results-proven.
That's what I do.
There's some smart cookies on here though.
Open mind is always best
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