Mobil 1 "Advanced Clean" 5w-30

[Shel_B]

Will my engine experience more wear if I run Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 vs. Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 0W-20 in my truck, while towing about 3000 Lbs. of equipment?

Based on tests shown by LSJr in his oft-qouted, referenced, and shown video, it would seem to me that there's a point at which TSUV will afford better protection, so I'd say yes. I feel strongly enough about that, that I suggested to my sister that she run it in her Corolla instead of the M1 EP that I had recommended before becoming familiar with LSJr's findings.

 

[GlenPratov]

Based on tests shown by LSJr in his oft-qouted, referenced, and shown video, it would seem to me that there's a point at which TSUV will afford better protection, so I'd say yes. I feel strongly enough about that, that I suggested to my sister that she run it in her Corolla instead of the M1 EP that I had recommended before becoming familiar with LSJr's findings.

It's a product that has spotty availability, and the marketing materials don't make it clear why it's better compared to others. Both Amazon and WM pricing for this product are all over the map. To further confuse the consumer, Truck&SUV is for 10K miles, and EP is for 20K miles. Castrol and AMSOIL have products that work up to 25K miles.

As a consumer, if you have to rely on Youtube education and heavy reading to decide between two nearly identical motor oils to make an informed purchasing decision, based on minute differences, then IMHO, the marketing department failed their mission badly.

 

[ltslimjim]

Based on tests shown by LSJr in his oft-qouted, referenced, and shown video, it would seem to me that there's a point at which TSUV will afford better protection, so I'd say yes. I feel strongly enough about that, that I suggested to my sister that she run it in her Corolla instead of the M1 EP that I had recommended before becoming familiar with LSJr's findings.

It's a product that has spotty availability, and the marketing materials don't make it clear why it's better compared to others. Both Amazon and WM pricing for this product are all over the map. To further confuse the consumer, Truck&SUV is for 10K miles, and EP is for 20K miles. Castrol and AMSOIL have products that work up to 25K miles.

As a consumer, if you have to rely on Youtube education and heavy reading to decide between two nearly identical motor oils to make an informed purchasing decision, based on minute differences, then IMHO, the marketing department failed their mission badly.

According to the SDS, it's somewhere between >50% - <75% regular Group III base oil, so the EP is superior for extended intervals based on GTL/PAO base oils being able to go longer/plus the better cold weather properties holding for the interval. That's the one clear advantage of EP.

 

[Shel_B]

It's a product that has spotty availability, and the marketing materials don't make it clear why it's better compared to others. Both Amazon and WM pricing for this product are all over the map. To further confuse the consumer, Truck&SUV is for 10K miles, and EP is for 20K miles. Castrol and AMSOIL have products that work up to 25K miles.

As a consumer, if you have to rely on Youtube education and heavy reading to decide between two nearly identical motor oils to make an informed purchasing decision, based on minute differences, then IMHO, the marketing department failed their mission badly.

Does all of that make the oil any less better than it has been shown to be in laboratory tests? The oil is what it is and the dissemination of information about it is another thing entirely.

One thing I'll say is that, as a (typical) consumer, there's so little readily available real information out there about the oils we use, that YouTube, heavy reading, discussion groups, and even gatherings such as those at HPL, have been the mainstay of our education. And the reality is that the average/typical consumer knows so little about the product that all these hurdles you mention are, in fact, a positive. Just as with any subject or interest, becoming knowledeable and informed takes work. Being here is a reasonable first step.

 

[Shel_B]

According to the SDS, it's somewhere between >50% - <75% regular Group III base oil, so the EP is superior for extended intervals based on GTL/PAO base oils being able to go longer/plus the better cold weather properties holding for the interval. That's the one clear advantage of EP.

That may be an advantage for some in some situations, but the question was not about longevity or cold weather properties but about wear protection in a specific situation. Will EP protect better than TSUV in the described situation? Some engineers and tribologists think not.

 

[ltslimjim]

That may be an advantage for some in some situations, but the question was not about longevity or cold weather properties but about wear protection is a specific situation. Will EP protect better than TSUV in the described situation? Some engineers and tribologists think not.

It depends. I was responding to both just commenting on the SDS, the other poster I quoted asked about the mileage differences. The base oils explain that.

 

[GlenPratov]

Does all of that make the oil any less better than it has been shown to be in laboratory tests? The oil is what it is and the dissemination of information about it is another thing entirely.

One thing I'll say is that, as a (typical) consumer, there's so little readily available real information out there about the oils we use, that YouTube, heavy reading, discussion groups, and even gatherings such as those at HPL, have been the mainstay of our education. And the reality is that the average/typical consumer knows so little about the product that all these hurdles you mention are, in fact, a positive. Just as with any subject or interest, becoming knowledeable and informed takes work. Being here is a reasonable first step.

I think we're on the same side of this discussion.

You are actually proving my point, and I'll tell you why:

1. I have yet to see any of the major motor oil manufacturers make an effort, even in the slightest, to educate consumers. If you ask any of them a question, their reply is shrouded in marketing lingo. They want to make it seem as though lubrication is a mystery no one can understand. They act late like they're a clandestine services organization, secretive even about basic typical properties like HTHS. Mobil, Shell, Castrol, Chevron, they all have the resources to educate the consumer, but choose not to do so deliberately.
2. I'm on vacation, so I thought to give this a try, since I constantly bump into this site when searching for oil info. But when at home or at work, especially at work, I don't find it reasonable to have to spend hours on end searching for basic information about motor oils, reading through hundreds of posts per search, some of these being mostly assumptions, just to find simple information that should readily be available from the manufacturer. NOACK and HTHS are two of these that fewer and fewer put on their website. It's not like I ask for the oil recipe or something.
3. Lab tests on new motor oils are just that: a result obtained from a fresh oil sample. And when you run each test on a fresh sample, you get mostly meaningless fragments instead of a complete picture. I would say this: take used oil samples and run tests on them, then compare the results. This, in my view, would be the bare minimum standard for what's reasonable when it comes to Lab tests.

 

[ndarkside93]

I see the 3rd thing listed on the sds is
2,5-furandione, dihydro-3-(octadecenyl)-

Does anyone know what this is used for in oil. I see it’s used for pigment dispersing in ink.

 

[oilstained]

1 question and 1 comment.

Q: What was updated on Post #1 by moderator?

C: Oh no, potentially a new favorite.

 

[4WD]

I was honestly surprised how good Truck and SUV did. For years I thought it was just marketing for a tad higher viscosity. Who knew how shear stable it was!!

Glad to see it too - used it for the first few changes in my Jeep bcs I snagged it marked down at a TSC …

 

[Sienna dude]

Will my engine experience more wear if I run Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 vs. Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 0W-20 in my truck, while towing about 3000 Lbs. of equipment?

I don't know. But I would use the Truck & SUV as it breaks down less. My van doesn't see oil temps above 180 degrees so I don't have to worry about oil breakdown.

 

[Sienna dude]

Based on tests shown by LSJr in his oft-qouted, referenced, and shown video, it would seem to me that there's a point at which TSUV will afford better protection, so I'd say yes. I feel strongly enough about that, that I suggested to my sister that she run it in her Corolla instead of the M1 EP that I had recommended before becoming familiar with LSJr's findings.

What I learned from that video is that I should not be skeptical about the claims on the jug, from reputable companies like Mobil 1 and Pennzoil.
BTW, does your sister's Corolla have a V8 or something?

 

[Sienna dude]

I did a VOA on T&S 0w20, you can check it out in the VOA section.

 

[Shel_B]

What I learned from that video is that I should not be skeptical about the claims on the jug, from reputable companies like Mobil 1 and Pennzoil.
BTW, does your sister's Corolla have a V8 or something?

She sometimes trailers her motorcycle (1978 Gold Wing)

 

[doublebase]

I was wondering when someone was going to jump on the Restore and Protect marketing bandwagon. Good for Mobil1 for doing so. Truth is, most people that buy oil don’t know or really care about Restore and Protect (except us here and a few engine oil junkies), so it’ll be interesting to see if Mobil1 can catch this wave (if that wave even exists).

I still haven’t got around to trying Restore and Protect, and I can now get it for $23 from a friend at a parts store. That’s cheaper than just about anything they sell (at cost)…which makes me wonder if Valvoline does this to make their brand more attractive to retailers.

 

[ChrisD46]

A MSDS was just created May 28th so the product is not released yet.

Keep in mind they also produced a Mobil 1 Turbo oil, which did even better than Mobil 1 EP on the stringent GM Turbo, test that was never released.

Could it be a VRP competitor? VRP is selling like crazy.

Good find Buster ! You have to believe Mobil (and SOPUS too) have already reverse engineered VR&P in their labs and are working to develop a similar oil that will clean hard piston deposits (and skirt Valvoline patents as well). I also imagine both Mobil /SOPUS sales & marketing executives are in contact with their respective R&D labs weekly asking: “Do you have an oil formula developed yet to compete against VR&P” ?!

 

[travis8352]

I see the 3rd thing listed on the sds is
2,5-furandione, dihydro-3-(octadecenyl)-

Does anyone know what this is used for in oil. I see it’s used for pigment dispersing in ink.

Molakule stated its likely an additive carrier oil

 

[Pablo]

I see the 3rd thing listed on the sds is
2,5-furandione, dihydro-3-(octadecenyl)-

Does anyone know what this is used for in oil. I see it’s used for pigment dispersing in ink.

Not a carrier oil, but a very serious cleaner and dispersal agent. We used variants in the 1980's for stripping organic coatings.

Molakule was referring to post #13

 

[ndarkside93]

Not a carrier oil, but a very serious cleaner and dispersal agent. We used variants in the 1980's for stripping organic coatings.

Molakule was referring to post #13

I was about to comment this. Everything I saw about the material was about pigment dispersal. So I figured it was a cleaner. But pretty obvious choice for a cleaning agent for carbon when you think about it

 

[Pablo]

I was about to comment this. Everything I saw about the material was about pigment dispersal. So I figured it was a cleaner. But pretty obvious choice for a cleaning agent for carbon when you think about it

And something more is not better for seals and gaskets!