Mobil 1 0W-16

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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Poster nap is a ridiculous troll. He needs to be banned from this forum. Ignorance is OK but he backs up his ignorance with constant name calling and insults. There is really no place for such trolling on this forum.


Translation: "Poster nap is calling my bluffs and I really hate it when that happens".
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Didn’t the newer Camry hybrids switch to 0w16?


The regular 4 cyl Camry also specs 0w16. Not sure if it was mentioned or not since I only read the first page or two of the thread. And the last one.

I'm curious if the previous gen Camry has been back spec'd to 0w16.
 
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Didn’t the newer Camry hybrids switch to 0w16?


The regular 4 cyl Camry also specs 0w16. Not sure if it was mentioned or not since I only read the first page or two of the thread. And the last one.

I'm curious if the previous gen Camry has been back spec'd to 0w16.





Interesting. Maybe it’s the same engine in both?
 
I see that they were very proud to quote the 2% fuel economy, yet when questioned about wear rates they didn't provide any figures and quoted "history".
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Didn’t the newer Camry hybrids switch to 0w16?


The regular 4 cyl Camry also specs 0w16. Not sure if it was mentioned or not since I only read the first page or two of the thread. And the last one.

I'm curious if the previous gen Camry has been back spec'd to 0w16.





Interesting. Maybe it’s the same engine in both?


Not the same engine, and not back-spec’d as of this date.
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Twenty years in use and no reports of engine failures or premature wear. Thanks wemay for sharing that article.


I wonder why Takahashi San mentioned only 15 years of "background"...

But say PimTac I failed to find where he stated that there were was no "engine failures or premature wear", can you direct me to that paragraph?
 
Originally Posted By: nap
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Twenty years in use and no reports of engine failures or premature wear. Thanks wemay for sharing that article.


I wonder why Takahashi San mentioned only 15 years of "background"...

But say PimTac I failed to find where he stated that there were was no "engine failures or premature wear", can you direct me to that paragraph?


Can you direct me to the reports that the oil is inferior?

I’m not playing your game nap.
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: nap
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Twenty years in use and no reports of engine failures or premature wear. Thanks wemay for sharing that article.


I wonder why Takahashi San mentioned only 15 years of "background"...

But say PimTac I failed to find where he stated that there were was no "engine failures or premature wear", can you direct me to that paragraph?


Can you direct me to the reports that the oil is inferior?

I’m not playing your game nap.


Strawman again, PimTac?

My exact claims were that the interviewed persons:

1) did not provide numbers for wear rate
2) quoted 15 years of background (not 20 as you claimed)
3) did not state that there were no "engine failures or premature wear" (in support to your claim)

If you want to have an argument with me, please address what I have actually said - as opposed to what you imagine or pretend I have said. Otherwise you will just make yourself look no better than Gokhan.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
https://noln.net/2017/06/30/skinny-ow-16-oil/


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I'm sorry, but I've gotta laugh here, it states:

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0w-20 showed higher fuel economy than 0w-20 engine oil. It will also give you remarkable quick engine starts at cold temperatures.


First off, Mobil already noted that even their Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy oils only showed very small gains over heavier grades. So any sort of incremental gain going from an already thin 0w-20 to a 0w-16, while real, isn't going to be measurable outside a lab.

Regarding the 2nd statement, versus what exactly? My SRT fires up fine when it is -20C on 0w-40, in fact, it fires up at the same speed it does when it is +20C, so I'm having a hard time with this statement. Will a 0w-16 result in a quicker start than a 20w-50 when it is -30? Yeah! But so will 5w30. The implication is that it will be an improvement over 0w-20 in this respect, but I doubt outside of Sibera, parts of the NWT, Yukon and other northernly locations in Canada, would that even be measurable.

Then it states:
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There are several concerns [about 0w-16 oils] due to their lower viscosity, like increased wear, increased oil consumption and lower pressure. But our long history [with 0w-16] has addressed these concerns.


That statement implies that these were legitimate issues that presented engineering challenges, which is supported by information that Shannow has presented from Honda about dealing with boundary lubrication conditions and using wider bearings.

The 2% figure, for a Honda fit, is likely a very specific example, cherry picked, vs the average gains, which would be more in-line with Mobil's statement on their Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy lineup, which provided a range of potential gains.
 
Shall I propose, that engine oil viscosity be added to a banned subject like Politics and Religions?

Seriously guys, we are supposed to be grown up here, no point in debating a marketing flyer. It is not a court case where missing or providing an evidence will land one innocent guy in jail vs let a serial murderer walk.

As a consumer, I don't give a duck about someone with an old car specing 0w20 will not get that 1-3% fuel economy running 0w16, because it is a personal choice and it will not be for me. I just use what the owner manual say as long as I can get it from Walmart for about the same cost. As long as the car won't fail during warranty and after warranty there's no bad news about it, I'll keep using it.

It is the manufacturers' responsibility to make it work, and if they don't work (like the LSPI issue), they will change the spec or demand a new oil.
 
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Shall I propose, that engine oil viscosity be added to a banned subject like Politics and Religions?

Exactly. Some will go hysterical claiming that 0W-20/0W-16 is destroying/will destroy your engine. At the end of the day, Toyota and Lexus, for which 0W-20 (and soon 0W-16) is the standard, arguably have the most long-lasting engine bearings and engines of all ever!

One thing though: Stay civil and mature. A few lack civility and maturity on this forum big-league.
 
I'm probably wrong but there is a lot of talk about thin oil and bearings. I thought the main problems with thin (or any) oil were:

1. Piston, ring pack and liners where at least 40% of the engines friction and wear occur (along with a complicated lubrication regime).

2. Valve train that has the next highest friction percentage and different lubrication regimes.

3. Bearings where lubrication can be mixed. Most of the friction in bearings comes from the shearing of the oil.

Of course a dirty air filter will affect the ring area more and dirty oil the bearing area more.
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Shall I propose, that engine oil viscosity be added to a banned subject like Politics and Religions?

Exactly. Some will go hysterical claiming that 0W-20/0W-16 is destroying/will destroy your engine. At the end of the day, Toyota and Lexus, for which 0W-20 (and soon 0W-16) is the standard, arguably have the most long-lasting engine bearings and engines of all ever!


As the nolin.com articles said, preventing engine wear has now become more of a game with anti-wear additives instead of relying on the viscosity itself. That means if the oil isn't formulated with the best anti-wear additives, the viscosity alone isn't going to be able to make up the difference. Makes oil formulation a much tighter science than in the past.
 
Originally Posted By: ka9mnx
I'm probably wrong but there is a lot of talk about thin oil and bearings. I thought the main problems with thin (or any) oil were:

1. Piston, ring pack and liners where at least 40% of the engines friction and wear occur (along with a complicated lubrication regime).

2. Valve train that has the next highest friction percentage and different lubrication regimes.

3. Bearings where lubrication can be mixed. Most of the friction in bearings comes from the shearing of the oil.


You are pretty much correct, with the mention that rod bearings seem to be more affected than the crankcase ones. Most of the articles I've seen show that, when reducing HTHS, the engine parts start to be affected in the exact order you mentioned them.

Focusing on bearings is ignoring the elephant in the room. Aka continued issues with rings chez both Toyota and Honda, which otherwise are renowned for long lasting engines. And the use of 0W20.
 
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