mmo? why all the additives.

[EvanD]

I have been looking around here. Why are you guys adding so many oil addivites. I thought that oil comes with an add pack. MMO= marvel mystery oil but its not an oil they recommend 25% replacement. Sounds like your gonna kill your oils lubricating properties.

I have read your forums like lubricating a fuel pump. A fuel pump sounds cheap next to engine or cat convert damage.

Looks like a scam to me.

 

[demarpaint]

Why not visit the oil additive section? Then check out MMO and some of the more popular additives used on this board. Tons of info there, pros and cons.

 

[JHZR2]

+1 do some reading. Benefits to be had if a preconceived idea isn't just handed out.

Good luck!

 

[Captain_Klink]

we all here like adding useless garbage to our highly engineered vehicles, because we, basically, are smarter than the engineers that designed the vehicles. they only got those jobs, because their daddy runs the company, and he hired all his inbred boys to work in the factory designing cars, because no one else would hire them.

 

[tig1]

I use it in fuel but never need it in my oil.

 

[demarpaint]

Interesting Klink, there could be a stitch of truth to it too. I add MMO to help clean things up, I know it works. Oil alone can't do everything, and in certain cases engines need cleaning. Ever see some of the sludge pictures here? Or maybe someone buys a car with unknown history, or has a bad PCV system, a sticking lifter? Wish I had a dime for every sticking lifter MMO cleared up Maybe the car is a sludge montser? Those examples and the fact that oil is blended to a certain price point. That could mean the oil companies might not be making oil with our best interests in mind.

Maybe some day you'll inherit or buy a car with one of those issues. MMO might just work for you. My son told me it gets pretty hot in Afghanistan, and dusty too, those conditions can cause problems with engines, I'm thinking MMO could help.

 

[stranger706]

Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
we all here like adding useless garbage to our highly engineered vehicles, because we, basically, are smarter than the engineers that designed the vehicles. they only got those jobs, because their daddy runs the company, and he hired all his inbred boys to work in the factory designing cars, because no one else would hire them.


LOL +1 and don't forget about our in-house BITOG endurance testing facility that we use to substantiate our claims.

 

[dsmith41]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of oil additives. I let the tribologists decide what goes in my oil and leave it at that.

 

[mechtech2]

MMO is proven over 80 in years of use in the fuel and oil.
No cats or engines are puking because of it's use.
Better yet, SHOW ME!
It was more useful when gas had lead in it, and reciprocating aircraft engine users still use it to stop valves sticking from lead at their almost wide open throttle cruising.

MMO is kinda unique - it cleans and lubricates. But it does not lubricate the fuel pump when added to the engine oil, as your post infers. That useful function occurs when you add it to the fuel.

 

[wiswind]

I DO wish folks would not blur the line between oil additive and fuel additive......even when it is the same stuff....such as MMO or Seafoam, or whatever.

I come here to learn.....and offer what very small amount of advice that I have to offer anyone.....which is microscopic as compared to what some folks here have to offer in terms of GREAT information.

However.....adding something to the gasoline is, to me, a completely different subject.
I am using Redline Oil at a 5K mile OCI...with a quality filter.......and don't expect to be needing to add anything to it......short of some unique situation that might come up.
I ended up with a valvetrain area on a '96 windstar at over 220K....miles....that I bought in '99 with just under 38K miles that looks like brand new.
I ran autoRX in it about 4 years ago, but keeping the oil changed using a quality oil and filter, with an agressive OCI is what I prefer to do.
I am not against additives.....when one is trying to accomplish something specific for it......but I am not for mindlessly dumping something into the oil because it helped someone with a problem on their vehicle......for a problem that I know that I do not have...and am very unlikely to have......and in a totally different set of circumstances that what I have.

Adding something to gasoline.......for 1 or both of the following benefits.....Lubrication (fuel pump and upper cylinder/valves) and cleaning.....to me is a completely different subject.
Which is why I like this forum having a separate "room" for each discussion.

 

[ps49556n]

Products like MMO an ARX are proven to work...modern oils though are proven to clean just as well, perhaps at a slightly slower rate but they will perform the same function. The part that really gets me laughing is when folks use additives on engines that had a consistant diet of high quality oil.

 

[EvanD]

Maybe a sludge prone engine or a used car that looks crudy.

Maybe some of the guys on here doing 8k oci on regular cheap dino.

But it looks like a waste of time money and potential damage from oil dillution.

 

[kkreit01]

...and yet ~4-5 yrs ago MMO was considered snake oil on here. I've added SLOB here and there, but I think I will refrain from oil additives in the future. After all, my manuals state not to, and we follow the "manual" for everything else.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: evandostert
Maybe a sludge prone engine or a used car that looks crudy.

Maybe some of the guys on here doing 8k oci on regular cheap dino.

But it looks like a waste of time money and potential damage from oil dillution.


Several of us are still looking for any engine that was damaged due to the use of MMO in the last 80+ years. We're still waiting.

 

[sangyup81]

MMO is not for a typical application. You don't use it to protect anything, you use it to fix problems.

 

[ThirdeYe]

Originally Posted By: sangyup81
MMO is not for a typical application. You don't use it to protect anything, you use it to fix problems.


I've been using it just for preventative maintenance in my car. There's no issues with it, I just like the thought of additional UCL. I probably won't be bothering with it once I run out of the bottle I have now though.

 

[Hitzy]

From the MSDS for MMO
Quote:
COMPONENT CAS NUMBER CONCENTRATION (wt %)
Naphthenic Hydrocarbons 64742-52-5 70 – 80
Mineral Spirits 08052-41-3 20 – 30
Chlorinated Hydrocarbons 00095-50-1 0 – 1


Cutting (drilling) fluid, paint thinner, and chlorine.

 

[sangyup81]

Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
Originally Posted By: sangyup81
MMO is not for a typical application. You don't use it to protect anything, you use it to fix problems.


I've been using it just for preventative maintenance in my car. There's no issues with it, I just like the thought of additional UCL. I probably won't be bothering with it once I run out of the bottle I have now though.


I've been using MMO as a pour through to get old oil out. This way, I don't dump new synthetic oil into my drain pan!

 

[Jax_RX8]

Originally Posted By: Hitzy
From the MSDS for MMO
Quote:
COMPONENT CAS NUMBER CONCENTRATION (wt %)
Naphthenic Hydrocarbons 64742-52-5 70 – 80
Mineral Spirits 08052-41-3 20 – 30
Chlorinated Hydrocarbons 00095-50-1 0 – 1


Cutting (drilling) fluid, paint thinner, and chlorine.




MSDS is not the end all be all.

If you want to understand what is in it and how it works to have an informed opinion, read my post in this thread.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/composition-of-marvel-mystery-oil.128556/