MMO, the real deal.

[edhackett]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Optical Input >> Integrate Signal >> Translate Signal >> Understand Signal >> Store Signal.

Some people are simply missing one or more stages of processing


We all have different perceptual preferences for learning. The following is a summary of MolaKule's post for those who prefer auditory over visual.

Think

Ed

 

[MrQuackers]

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AMAZING, over 30k views in 2 weeks!

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Optical Input >> Integrate Signal >> Translate Signal >> Understand Signal >> Store Signal.

Some people are simply missing one or more stages of processing


We all have different perceptual preferences for learning. The following is a summary of MolaKule's post for those who prefer auditory over visual.

Think

Ed

We only have two of the Three Stooges though.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
We only have two of the Three Stooges though.


Who is Shemp?

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
You've asked twice about my experience with it. And have been told, twice, about said experience. Which is one more than it should of been.

Actually, six times. Would you repost this or give a link to the message that has this information. Thanks.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Trajan
We only have two of the Three Stooges though.


Who is Shemp?


A better question. Which one is Joe Besser? Or Joe DeRita?

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: SirTanon


One last comment. I also find it funny that, of your 109 posts on here, all but a handful are about Z-max. 109 posts, and all but 15 are defending Z-max? For someone who claims not to use it, you sure spend a lot of time and effort defending it.

Methinks thou dost protest too much..


Employee maybe? There is no logical reason that someone who doesn't use it would defend it so hotly. Unless your job depends on it.


To SirTanon. I find it odd that a HUGE number of posts here from MoleKule are anti-Zmax or anti-something else. Actually, I believe every post he makes on the topic of Zmax is against it. Does that mean he has a interest in giving Zmax a bad name? After all, he hasn't proven a thing or changed the claims a bit. Also, Trajan is basically in the same creek MoleKule is in. So is dave1251 as well. What does that say about them you think? Well? Does it not say something to you? You seem to think I have some reason for posting what I post so what do you think about what they post? Or does that only apply to people you disagree with? If so, then what does that say about you as well?

Trajan, for the last time, I DO NOT WORK FOR ZMAX!! Period. Until I called George about this matter, I never even had contact with Zmax. I'm here to state facts that were proven in court. If you don't like Zmax, do something to change it.

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Oh, and in case you forgot, this thread is about MMO, not your favorite juice.


Don't forget Trajan, it was YOU that took this off topic.

Posting this to finally settle this. That is the first mention of Zmax, MADE BY YOU.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: rdalek
Trajan, for the last time, I DO NOT WORK FOR ZMAX!! Period. Until I called George about this matter, I never even had contact with Zmax. I'm here to state facts that were proven in court. If you don't like Zmax, do something to change it.


Why do you insist the whole FTC suit was in a criminal court? The whole suit was a civil case nothing was proven true. Once two parities enter ligation and reach a settlement were one party cries uncle and agrees to drop further claims and agrees to pay administration fees and restitution then this party has lost its case because it did not negotiate from a position of strength.

If the suit filed from the FTC were frivolous the lawyers for the makers of zmax would have advised to pursue an judgement because the legal fees would be paid by the government and zmax would pay zero restitution and would actually receive payment from the federal government for libel because the actions of the FTC.

Is this a mind explosion moment for you?

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: rdalek
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Oh, and in case you forgot, this thread is about MMO, not your favorite juice.


Don't forget Trajan, it was YOU that took this off topic.

Posting this to finally settle this. That is the first mention of Zmax, MADE BY YOU.


Please answer my question about if MMO improves PCMO's and correctly formulated gasoline. This was the last unanswered question posted for you.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: dave1251

Please answer my question about if MMO improves PCMO's and correctly formulated gasoline. This was the last unanswered question posted for you.


Has the guy who claims he doesn't work for Zmax, (I don't believe it.), but spends post after post over two threads defending it, said anything relevant to *this* thread?

I'm not even going to bother giving him even a temporary stay, (that's a legal expression rdalek), from the ignore list to see what he types.

My road apple filter is clogged from all the inane, senseless, uneducated, twaddle about subjects he just refuses to understand.

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Trajan, for the last time, I DO NOT WORK FOR ZMAX!! Period. Until I called George about this matter, I never even had contact with Zmax. I'm here to state facts that were proven in court. If you don't like Zmax, do something to change it.


Why do you insist the whole FTC suit was in a criminal court? The whole suit was a civil case nothing was proven true. Once two parities enter ligation and reach a settlement were one party cries uncle and agrees to drop further claims and agrees to pay administration fees and restitution then this party has lost its case because it did not negotiate from a position of strength.

If the suit filed from the FTC were frivolous the lawyers for the makers of zmax would have advised to pursue an judgement because the legal fees would be paid by the government and zmax would pay zero restitution and would actually receive payment from the federal government for libel because the actions of the FTC.

Is this a mind explosion moment for you?


I never said it was a criminal case. Please point to where I said that. It was and always has been a civil case. That is why I keep telling the people that claim to have so much proof to provide it to the FTC and get the claims changed. Civil cases can be brought again if new information is found. From the actual letter from the FTC, it even says it could take action in the future if needed. Thing is, not a single person here will provide their so called proof to them so they can correct the matter.

If the FTC won so very well as you claim, why is Zmax still claiming Zmax soaks into metal? Why is it that the very agency that started it agreed to settle? Could it be that Zmax had more proof than the FTC did? You think? Since Zmax is still making the claims it is, with the full knowledge of the FTC and court, it would appear that the FTC didn't "win" near as big as you think. Also, the restitution you keep talking about, only 10% of that was ever paid. That restitution was mostly about the gas mileage percentage previously claimed, not soaks into metal that so many here complain about. That refund was available to anyone who asked for it. See, if you would actually DO something like talk to someone who is aware of the case facts, you would have more info to work with. Thing is, all you do is post here things that you can't prove and can't give to the proper people to get changed. Basically, you are posting nothing but your opinion.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Oh, and in case you forgot, this thread is about MMO, not your favorite juice.


Don't forget Trajan, it was YOU that took this off topic.

Posting this to finally settle this. That is the first mention of Zmax, MADE BY YOU.


Please answer my question about if MMO improves PCMO's and correctly formulated gasoline. This was the last unanswered question posted for you.


And this has what to do with the fact that Trajan took this thread off topic???? This is what you and a couple others try to do. Twist things to suite YOUR opinion. Nice try tho.

How about you go file that complaint with the FTC and for once, actually do something to change something. Oh wait, you would have to be able to prove something to do that. I guess that will never happen since it seems you can't prove anything, except in your own mind which is most likely the one that exploded.

Have you noticed anything about this topic yet? To this day, Zmax still sells its product with those claims and the FTC and court still allows it despite the opinions posted here. Now isn't that really funny. ROFLMBO

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: Trajan

Has the guy who claims he doesn't work for Zmax, (I don't believe it.), but spends post after post over two threads defending it, said anything relevant to *this* thread?


For the last time, I DO NOT WORK FOR ZMAX!!! For you to say or even imply anything else just proves the point of your posts. You post things as fact when you have none. Your posts are ignorant at best.

If you post or even imply that I work for Zmax again, you will not like my reply. Stop posting something that is NOT true and that you can't prove.

Once again, it was YOU who took this thread off topic.

 

[dave1251]

Your response proves you do not have an understanding to the civil legal system or you do not have the proverbial leg to stand on. I recommend you stop while you are ahead as you are going to ever be. Your lack of understanding is understated by your lack of an meaningful response.

Also where is your answer to the technical question?

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Your response proves you do not have an understanding to the civil legal system or you do not have the proverbial leg to stand on. I recommend you stop while you are ahead as you are going to ever be. Your lack of understanding is understated by your lack of an meaningful response.

Also where is your answer to the technical question?


The only leg I need is the one that no one can dispute or change. Zmax still sells its product with claims you can not change with the full knowledge of the court and the FTC. If you could prove anything to change that, you would have a long time ago. Since you haven't done so, you can't. By all means tho, go prove me wrong and share your info with the FTC.

I have not posted anything technical about Zmax or MMO. I am only concerned with the court finding for Zmax and my personal experience with MMO. Period. Dave5358 deals with that part of Zmax and has backed up his claims many times over. You need me to copy one of his posts here for you to read again? Link maybe?

 

[SirTanon]

Originally Posted By: rdalek
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: SirTanon


One last comment. I also find it funny that, of your 109 posts on here, all but a handful are about Z-max. 109 posts, and all but 15 are defending Z-max? For someone who claims not to use it, you sure spend a lot of time and effort defending it.

Methinks thou dost protest too much..


Employee maybe? There is no logical reason that someone who doesn't use it would defend it so hotly. Unless your job depends on it.


To SirTanon. (Point 1)==>I find it odd that a HUGE number of posts here from MoleKule are anti-Zmax or anti-something else. (Point 2)==>Actually, I believe every post he makes on the topic of Zmax is against it. Does that mean he has a interest in giving Zmax a bad name? After all, he hasn't proven a thing or changed the claims a bit. Also, Trajan is basically in the same creek MoleKule is in. So is dave1251 as well. What does that say about them you think? Well? (Point 3)==>Does it not say something to you? (Point 4)==>You seem to think I have some reason for posting what I post so what do you think about what they post? (Point 5)==>Or does that only apply to people you disagree with? (Point 6)==>If so, then what does that say about you as well?


Regarding Point 1:
HUGE? I don’t know if I’d say that. He’s got well over 14,000 posts on BITOG, and I’ve read countless of them on other subjects. As there are only a few threads that I can find on Z-max, the math would suggest that the actual percentage of his posts about Z-max is pretty low. Even if we estimate that he has posted at least as many posts about Z-max as you have, he still only has about 90 of them. Let’s double that because he’s replied to Dave too. Heck, I’ll double THAT, and estimate that he MAY have posted somewhere around 360 posts about Z-max. That places his Z-max percentage at about 2.52%, and I’d say that number is on the high side. Hardly HUGE.
I can’t say the same for you. Of all your posts (all 116 of them), only 15 are NOT about Z-max. This places your Z-max percentage at ~86.95%. Ouch.

Regarding Point 2:
You think every post he makes about Z-max is negative? Dunno, maybe.. maybe not. I’m not digging through 14,000 posts to find that out. Feel free.. and by all means, please post your results here – I think that would actually be the first time you’ve posted real quantitative analysis on BITOG. Might gain you some points.

Regarding Point 3:
Having read enough other posts from these gentlemen elsewhere on BITOG about a multitude of subjects, it’s clear to me that they know the subjects on which they speak. They are clearly intelligent, and clearly come from a scientific background, and base their discussions on sound physical and chemical principles. As this is a forum based on motor oil, physics and chemistry are both cogent fields of expertise, and so they are clearly qualified to present facts and present educated opinions. To your point, if it tells me ANYTHING, it tells me that what they say carries some weight.

Regarding Point 4:
Read my response to point 3. What do I think of what they post? I think they know of what they speak.

Regarding Point 5:
In this case, it applies to you. Disagreement is not a bad thing – in fact, disagreement is often what leads to interesting discussion, and to progress. You, on the other hand, are just disagreeable. Confrontational too.
Did I mention outmatched? You’re that as well.

Finally, regarding point 6:
Please read my above points. You asked me, so I’ll answer. I did well in school. I went to college. I work in a technical field for a big company, and my expertise is valued by others – it’s why I got the job, and why I am still working here. I got where I am because I LISTENED to my professors in school. I absorbed the knowledge they had to share. Sure, I questioned things from time to time, but when a rational explanation was presented to me, I processed it and I accepted what those who knew more than I did had to teach me.
It’s why I came to BITOG, and it’s why I’ve learned so much from people like MoleKule. They clearly know their stuff, and I am glad I can learn from it.

Perhaps you should consider doing the same.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Your response proves you do not have an understanding to the civil legal system or you do not have the proverbial leg to stand on. I recommend you stop while you are ahead as you are going to ever be. Your lack of understanding is understated by your lack of an meaningful response.

Also where is your answer to the technical question?


He'll never understand that:

1: There are claims that his company can no longer make. Thus a loss.

2: That being allowed to make the current claims does not mean that they are accurate claims.

3: That being forced to pay a million dollar restitution is not a win. But rather a loss.

4: This is an MMO thread.

 

[dave1251]

You have not answered how if the makers of zmax had favor for a judgement why did zmax pursue settlement with paying restitution rather than receiving payment from the federal government. Please tell. I am blowing your mind again.

Also if you can not answer my question for MMO and will not talk about MMO do not post in a MMO thread. Another mind explosion?

 

[jk_636]

Originally Posted By: Trajan

4: This is an MMO thread.


^^^This

This was supposed to be a MMO thread. My how it has gotten off topic. I have been watching the arguments on this thread turn from MMO, to ZMax, to all out legal brawls. OP, I like MMO. There I said it. I still use 20% MMO in my crankcase. Hopefully this will get the argument back on track!

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: Trajan

4: This is an MMO thread.


^^^This

This was supposed to be a MMO thread. My how it has gotten off topic. I have been watching the arguments on this thread turn from MMO, to ZMax, to all out legal brawls. OP, I like MMO. There I said it. I still use 20% MMO in my crankcase. Hopefully this will get the argument back on track!

You like it. Good I have tried it and MMO did nothing that I could tell. Thus I will not try it again.