Michelin Defender LTX MS/2 or Continental terrain HT?

[Panda87]

Goodyear Wrangler Steadfast HT.
I replaced the OE Michelin LTX MS2 with the Goodyear and couldn't be happier.

Every Goodyear product I’ve ever owned was abject garbage. Car/truck tires: Eagle RS-As, Wranglers…trash. Loud, rough riding, poor handling, fast wear. Wiper blades: worthless within 6 months. Trailer tires: Endurances on my camper don’t have even cords around the sidewall and they are full of ripples. Had to warranty replace one of them as the sidewall bubbled within 1000mi. Discount Tire handled it like pros. The Hankook Vantras I put on my utility trailer are of a substantially better quality/construction.

Goodyear should be relegated to making nothing more substantial than erasers.

 

[wings&wheels]

Michelin has published that the test is not nearly as relevant with anti-lock brakes.

I remember that article and was looking for it for this thread, but d/n have any luck even on Michelin's site. IIRC it was a good explanation how with current braking and taction systems, tires designed for them may not perform as well on the old test.

Have you found it??

 

[thescreensavers]

I have the michelins on the GX they are great in every situation except I do find them to be loud?

They came with my GX when I bought em, I am partial to Michelin but Conti is a good tire too. If one is cheaper than the other that may just be the answer.

 

[rstsco]

Ok. So I drive a ‘24 Tacoma which in its hybrid form is 5300 lbs. I have a long commute, so NVH is important to me. The 265-65-18 p-metrics ride well at around 39-40 PSI as it stands right now.

The specs of the Agilis Cross Climate look about ideal for what I do. It’s got the tread of a mild AT (I do go off pavement, not for sport but occassional utility). I usually gravitate towards mild ATs with good wet traction and a smooth ride. I’m nervous about spending money on something I’d regret. What are your thoughts about using this tire on a 5000lb pickup?

DIscount Tire offers 30 day replacement or money back guarantee if you are not satisfied with tires you purchased. I used this guarantee once on a new set of tires. My fuel mileage dropped significantly with the new, different brand of tires,, so went back before the 30 days were up and put a new set of the tires like the ones I'd pulled off. Mileage immediately went back to as expected.

 

[MParr]

Every Goodyear product I’ve ever owned was abject garbage. Car/truck tires: Eagle RS-As, Wranglers…trash. Loud, rough riding, poor handling, fast wear. Wiper blades: worthless within 6 months. Trailer tires: Endurances on my camper don’t have even cords around the sidewall and they are full of ripples. Had to warranty replace one of them as the sidewall bubbled within 1000mi. Discount Tire handled it like pros. The Hankook Vantras I put on my utility trailer are of a substantially better quality/construction.

Goodyear should be relegated to making nothing more substantial than erasers.

Goodyear doesn't make wiper blades. They are made by Saver Automotive.

 

[edyvw]

Have Michelin Defender M/S2 during April-November and they are absolutely fantastic in all conditions (didn’t check snow, have snow set). They are fantastic in wet, wear like iron, no any noise.
I was thinking why in tests TerrainContact H/T has but better wet performance. H/T on other hand performs worse in ice than Defender. Wet and ice performance go against each other. Emphasis on one, degrades performance of other. I think Michelin with this generation tried to offer more winter performance for those that use tire all year.

 

[Panda87]

Goodyear doesn't make wiper blades. They are made by Saver Automotive.

I didn’t know that. Thank you.

 

[Gebo]

I think there may be better tires than MIchelin. Or at least tires that are just as good. I'm just not willing to spend the money to find out if my thinking is correct. Sort of like me and Outback. I have never had a bad meal at Outback. Not even a disappointment. They have all met my expectations. Why go anywhere else for steak?

 

[f355spider]

Goodyear doesn't make wiper blades. They are made by Saver Automotive.

Michelin licenses their wiper blade manufacturing to Pylon Manufacturing...they are terrible...made cheaply in Vietnam and China.

 

[goblin]

...they are terrible...made cheaply in Vietnam and China.

Ditto. They are atrocious. And the previous series were as well (the standard ones).
I'm puzzled that no Michelin exec in the US has ever tried this on their cars. If they did, they'd scream bloody murder.

 

[z71bill]

Replaced my Defenders at 95k miles with thread left all around. With the same. Won't complain.

What type of driving / how many miles a year?

That many miles would take me over 26 years!

 

[goblin]

What type of driving / how many miles a year?

That many miles would take me over 26 years!

2017 Santa Fe long wheelbase V6, driving was 50k miles aggressive Manhattan and suburbian driving and 45k miles of suburbia. Usually could smell rubber every time I'd park the car after getting home in a rush. No sports driving but potholes and fast curves plenty.

The only thing I've cared about was regular rotations. Costco does it for free, so I never skimmed on these.

Did six years I believer, 2019 to a couple of months ago. There was definitely life left on the rears, the fronts were not too good but had life left in them as well. I'd say I could milk 10k at least from the fronts and 25k from the rears.

The reason I finally replaced them was mostly looking for an excuse. The excuse was that Costco refused to rotate them last summer - said the fronts are too far gone to go in the back, and the noise. The noise really changes on old tires. I suspect the fronts were a bit ovalized here and there, I had a womp-womp wheel bearing like sound. It's possible I've locked them in emergency braking once or twice and ground a flat through them. We used to call this "filing a post card on the tire" back in Europe.

 

[CKN]

Every Goodyear product I’ve ever owned was abject garbage. Car/truck tires: Eagle RS-As, Wranglers…trash. Loud, rough riding, poor handling, fast wear. Wiper blades: worthless within 6 months. Trailer tires: Endurances on my camper don’t have even cords around the sidewall and they are full of ripples. Had to warranty replace one of them as the sidewall bubbled within 1000mi. Discount Tire handled it like pros. The Hankook Vantras I put on my utility trailer are of a substantially better quality/construction.

Goodyear should be relegated to making nothing more substantial than erasers.

I just put the Goodyear Weather Ready 2's tires on my wife's Volvo. Wet is traction is excellent and noise levels are acceptable. That was a $1,200.00 investment all in. I have run sets of TBC Greenball trailer tires for 30,000 miles without issue. That's all I buy from a price/ performance issue.

 

[UNC054]

Currently have 99k on the Michelin Defender LTX M/S on the wife’s Durango. 5/32” left but will need something soon, been looking at the Continental TerrainContact HT which run about $30 less per tire than the Michelin Defender LTX M/S2. Still on the fence I guess.

Will have to see what I get the best deal on when I do replace them, hard to argue the longevity at this point with that many miles. Snow/Rain traction still seems ok but the road noise has increased a bit I noticed. 5k-6k tire rotations during oil changes have really pushed these further than I had imagined they’d go.

 

[edyvw]

Currently have 99k on the Michelin Defender LTX M/S on the wife’s Durango. 5/32” left but will need something soon, been looking at the Continental TerrainContact HT which run about $30 less per tire than the Michelin Defender LTX M/S2. Still on the fence I guess.

Will have to see what I get the best deal on when I do replace them, hard to argue the longevity at this point with that many miles. Snow/Rain traction still seems ok but the road noise has increased a bit I noticed. 5k-6k tire rotations during oil changes have really pushed these further than I had imagined they’d go.

I am not sure what is dilemma? 99k and you are at 5/32 and still ok in snow?
There is no reason to reinvent wheel.

 

[1911CHAMPION]

Michelin licenses their wiper blade manufacturing to Pylon Manufacturing...they are terrible...made cheaply in Vietnam and China.

Trico Neoform series beam blades are hands down the best I have ever used. Most sizes are under $10/EA on RA. I haven't bought anything else for at least 10 years.

 

[Panda87]

Trico Neoform series beam blades are hands down the best I have ever used. Most sizes are under $10/EA on RA. I haven't bought anything else for at least 10 years.

Neoforms have been the best I’ve ever used. Their Titan line I’ve got on now pales in ccomparison to the Neoforms I used previously.