MC Semi-Syn sludge resistant enough for 10K OCI?

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
I subscribe to a 5K OCI max on Dino

I was doing a thousand miles more than that on conventional over twenty years ago. Tig1 goes double that on M1 with XOM's blessing.

Do some of the math over the lifespan of an engine. You may be shocked.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Me thinks Ford wants you to buy a new Ford sooner rather than later ! A 10K OCI on a semi - synthetic ? ...I would not be willing to take that gamble . I subscribe to a 5K OCI max on Dino , 6K max OCI on a semi - synthetic and a 7500 mile max OCI for synthetic . Over the life span of an oil change - oil and filters are cheap ! ...Too much time , $$ and effort spent counting down an oil in search of the : "Holy Grail TBN of 1.0" !

Well, first of all, I do not think there is a gamble involved in this at all provided you properly determine what the limits are and stay within them. Second of all, over the span of a engine oil and filters are not cheap, they add up to a significant cost, but most folks do not keep a vehicle long enough to calculate or realize those costs or the potential ROI of a maintenance plan. Lastly, your thoughts about OCIs are mostly on the mark for those not willing to determine the limits of an OCI, but choose to "set it and forget it". There is nothing wrong with that approach, but to believe that stretching an OCI past those numbers will cause an engine to fail sooner than using the numbers you provided is not the case. If there were no oil names posted and no mileage listed in the UOAs below, could you tell which oil was which and which had the better performance? Doubtful.

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Year: 2010 Make: Ford Model: F-150 FX4

Engine: 5.4L FFV Transmission: 6R80 Axle: 9.75 Ford ELD (3.73)



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Date: 07/13 04/13 11/12 08/12 06/12 | 05/12 02/12 11/11 09/11 07/11 06/11 05/11 03/11 02/11 01/11 10/10 9/10

Oil Brand/Type: MS5K MS5K MS5K MS5K MS5K | PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU MC

Oil Viscosity: 5w-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 | 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20

API Service: SN SN SN SN SN | SM{A} SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM

Oil Filter: MC MC MC MC MC | MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC

Air Filter: NG NG NG NG NG | NG NG{B} MC MC MC MC{B} MC MC MC MC MC MC

Lab: BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST | BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST

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Truck Mileage: 106,265 99,231 89,211 80,927 74,447 | 69,305 62,055 54,575 47,075 39,770 32,280 27,100 21,600 16,600 10,600 4,500 991

Oil Mileage: 7,394 10,020 8,285 6,480 5,142 | 7,250 7,480 7,500 7,305 7,490 5,180 5,500 5,000 6,000 6,100 3,509 991

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Make-Up Oil: 0.0 0.5 0.5 0.0 0.0 | 0.0 0.25 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

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Aluminum: 2 3 3 2 2 | 3 3 5 3 2 2 3 3 6 3 3 3

Chromium 1 1 1 1 1 | 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0

Iron: 10 16 12 10 10 | 11 8 13 8 9 7 9 10 18 13 10 18

Copper: 2 2 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 9 41

Lead: 1 0 0 0 1 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2

Tin: 0 2 1 4 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Molybdenum: 6 3 6 3 11 | 48 56 46 47 58 55 54 45 47 52 48 42

Nickel: 1 1 1 1 0 | 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0

Manganese: 1 1 1 1 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 10

Silver: 0 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Titanium: 27 34 32 30 24 | 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

Potassium: 2 0 4 4 2 | 6 0 6 5 1 0 2 3 4 2 3 14

Boron: 9 3 4 7 9 | 91 249 156 144 156 233 244 230 249 278 258 272

Silicon: 11 12 12 11 12 | 13 11 16 19 21 19 19 17 16 29 45 111

Sodium: 323 369 362 374 284 | 4 4 7 5 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 9

Calcium: 2179 2200 2276 1954 2195 | 2647 3168 3003 3053 2941 2900 2814 2613 2740 2911 2706 2203

Magnesium: 15 19 19 12 15 | 17 15 17 17 16 12 12 11 12 12 12 14

Phosphorus: 697 706 735 624 655 | 688 728 671 668 710 713 676 608 629 691 643 773

Zinc: 822 832 797 738 765 | 762 820 724 743 861 834 813 675 718 774 752 835

Barium: 0 0 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 16

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cSt Visc. @ 100°C (UOA) 7.49 7.69 7.96 8.05 7.73 | 8.34 8.25 7.93 7.80 8.45 8.04 8.14 8.21 8.12 7.72 7.94 7.09

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VOA MS5K cSt Visc. @ 100°C 7.48 7.48 7.48 7.48 7.48 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

MOBIL cSt Visc. @ 100°C 8.4 8.4 8.4 8.4 8.4 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

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VOA PU cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- --- --- | 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 ---

SOPUS cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- --- --- | 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 ---

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SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 50.7 51.4 52.3 52.6 51.5 | 53.5 53.2 52.2 51.7 53.9 52.5 52.9 53.1 52.8 51.5 52.2 49.4

Flashpoint in °F 400 395 510 390 {C} | 415 405 420 415 410 425 405 390 410 390 400 390

MOBIL Flashpoint in °F 446 446 446 446 446 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

SOPUS Flashpoint in °F --- --- --- --- --- | 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 ---

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Fuel %
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 | 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Water % 0.0 0.0 0.2
Insolubles % 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.2 0.1 | 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.1

TBN 2.5 1.4 2.7 2.6 3.7 | --- --- --- 5.4 --- --- 5.6 4.8 5.3 9.4 7.5 ---

TAN 2.3 3.0 2.6 4.3 --- | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

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NOTES:



Acronyms:



BLKST=Blackstone | MS5K=Mobil | PU=Pennzoil





{A} Possibly SN in SM bottle; note drop in Calcium

{B} Air filter change; MC=Motorcraft, NG=Napa Gold

{C} Blackstone spilled sample; not enough to test FP and Fuel%

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: tommygunn
The MC syn-blend is said to be 60% synthetic anyway.
Any SN "dino" can do 7500 with no problem ("dino" in quotes because most if not all SN dinos are actually blends that contain some group III)

The MC filter should be fine for 10k. It is a rebranded PureOne.
There is certainly nothing wrong with using M1 and PP.

I think AAP still has that Havoline synthetic sale, 5 quarts and a PureOne for only $20. That is hard to beat.
Both not true at all. 10-30% syn in any given bottle.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
The MC syn-blend is said to be 60% synthetic anyway.
Any SN "dino" can do 7500 with no problem ("dino" in quotes because most if not all SN dinos are actually blends that contain some group III)

The MC filter should be fine for 10k. It is a rebranded PureOne.
There is certainly nothing wrong with using M1 and PP.

I think AAP still has that Havoline synthetic sale, 5 quarts and a PureOne for only $20. That is hard to beat.
Both not true at all. 10-30% syn in any given bottle.


Where are you getting the group 3% information?

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
The MC syn-blend is said to be 60% synthetic anyway.
Any SN "dino" can do 7500 with no problem ("dino" in quotes because most if not all SN dinos are actually blends that contain some group III)

The MC filter should be fine for 10k. It is a rebranded PureOne.
There is certainly nothing wrong with using M1 and PP.

I think AAP still has that Havoline synthetic sale, 5 quarts and a PureOne for only $20. That is hard to beat.
Both not true at all. 10-30% syn in any given bottle.


Where are you getting the group 3% information?
look on their msds. Go to their site and you will see for yourself. I knew for a fact that it wasn't 60%...no oil vendor will put that much into a blend. It's Group II+ and Group III

 

[tommygunn]

Supposedly it has been around 60% synthetic since the API SN changeover.

The Pennzoil Dexos blend is "at least 50% synthetic" (quoted directly from the bottle and Pennzoil's website) and about the same price as MC.

They have to be with new more stringent oil standards and extended OCI's. You probably need at least 60% syn to get to 10k anyway.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
The MC syn-blend is said to be 60% synthetic anyway.
Any SN "dino" can do 7500 with no problem ("dino" in quotes because most if not all SN dinos are actually blends that contain some group III)

The MC filter should be fine for 10k. It is a rebranded PureOne.
There is certainly nothing wrong with using M1 and PP.

I think AAP still has that Havoline synthetic sale, 5 quarts and a PureOne for only $20. That is hard to beat.
Both not true at all. 10-30% syn in any given bottle.


Where are you getting the group 3% information?
look on their msds. Go to their site and you will see for yourself. I knew for a fact that it wasn't 60%...no oil vendor will put that much into a blend. It's Group II+ and Group III


Try again the only thing the msds tells you is the pcmo is Mineral Paraffininc Base Oil. Any group.

 

[kyxtremetuber]

I see no problems with MC syn-blend and a MC filter m results with this combo have been fantastic

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Supposedly it has been around 60% synthetic since the API SN changeover.

The Pennzoil Dexos blend is "at least 50% synthetic" (quoted directly from the bottle and Pennzoil's website) and about the same price as MC.

They have to be with new more stringent oil standards and extended OCI's. You probably need at least 60% syn to get to 10k anyway.

Thanks for the update. This info I didn't know. I've been away from this site and just became active again. I need to see exactly what this Dexos blend is.