Mazda philosophy - no hybrids or electrics

[97tbird]

Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: cchase
Is Mazda sending out people into the forums to advertise their tech or something? Every week there's a new thread on here about how great Mazdas new tech is (always the same tech in each post, however). Always the same little brochure-esque tidbits "highest compression" or "Skyactiv!!"


Yes they do.

I joined their Forum Trolling Project back in March 2011.
They gave me an RX-8.
Then in March of this year, they replaced the RX-8 with a CX-5 Touring.

All I have to do is troll BITOG, and remind people like you that my Mazda and it's tech is sweet.

In 2015, they are switching out my CX-5 for a new Mazda MX-5.
And if I'm a really good SkyActiv troll on here, in 2017 they will give me the new halo sports car they are secretly working on today.
BC.


Darn! I thought we were the only ones to get an amazing, Hon/Toy arss-kicking 2014 Mazda 6 for free for advertising for them here on Bitog - [censored]!

 

[ram_man]

Even of hybrids get better mileage who cares? They arent simpe to work on, they are harder on the enviroment than conventional gas powered engines, theyre a pain and dangerous to work on. They are [censored]. People dont want to admit it. But they do. They arent better for the enviroment and that was apparently there claim to fame.

 

[jrustles]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Sony invited multiple companies to look at Betamax & license the technology in 1973-74. One of those companies was JVC who liked the idea and copied it (but with changes to avoid patent issues). This is confirmed history.


Sony did not invent the magnetic video tape, sorry I should have been more clear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape


Originally Posted By: cchase
The sad part is that Beta was in every way a superior format to VHS. The only reason VHS took over was Sony (and this is a recurring theme for them) refusing to allow anyone else to produce product under the name. Minidisc anyone?


Exactly. The same happened to Apple (Computers) vs the IBM PC.

 

[jrustles]

and oh yes chalk me up as another troll for Mazda. Basically anyone who keeps up with their developments is a shill, see, that's how you know.

Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: cchase
Is Mazda sending out people into the forums to advertise their tech or something? Every week there's a new thread on here about how great Mazdas new tech is (always the same tech in each post, however). Always the same little brochure-esque tidbits "highest compression" or "Skyactiv!!"


Yes they do.

I joined their Forum Trolling Project back in March 2011.
They gave me an RX-8.
Then in March of this year, they replaced the RX-8 with a CX-5 Touring.

All I have to do is troll BITOG, and remind people like you that my Mazda and it's tech is sweet.

In 2015, they are switching out my CX-5 for a new Mazda MX-5.
And if I'm a really good SkyActiv troll on here, in 2017 they will give me the new halo sports car they are secretly working on today.
BC.


Darn! I thought we were the only ones to get an amazing, Hon/Toy arss-kicking 2014 Mazda 6 for free for advertising for them here on Bitog - [censored]!

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: jrustles
and oh yes chalk me up as another troll for Mazda. Basically anyone who keeps up with their developments is a shill, see, that's how you know.

One would hope that regular posters such as yourself would realize the sheer volume of threads with identical subject material on this forum about Mazda "Skyactiv". We've been averaging a thread a week about the exact same thing.

As has been stated repeatedly by people on here, Mazda is not breaking new ground. They've come up with a clever marketing term to describe what many car manufacturers are doing these days - lightening vehicles, adding direct injection, increasing compression. For some reason, that seems to grant them a lot of time in the limelight in this forum.

 

[blackman777]

Originally Posted By: cchase
The sad part is that Beta was in every way a superior format to VHS.

Betamax was not superior. The picture resolution for Betamax is 250 lines... that's no better than VHS. And the tapes, even in slow mode, maxed-out at 5 1/2 hours. (VHS could hold 9 hours.) Consumers naturally picked what was more important to them: Being able to record a day of TV while they were not home. VHS did it; Betamax did not.

 

[blackman777]

Originally Posted By: jrustles
Sony did not invent the magnetic video tape, sorry I should have been more clear.

I didn't say they did. I said Sony invented Betamax, the first VCR for home, and JVC was invited to Sony headquarters to see the tech and license it. Instead JVC just stole it (but being careful not to tread on Sony's patents). Sony spent all the money on R&D while JVC spent almost none
Originally Posted By: ram_man
hybrids are harder on the enviroment than conventional gas powered engines,

Why do people keep repeating this? According to greenercars.org, even with the damage caused by making & recycling batteries, the hybrid cars still rank "cleaner" than conventional cars:

SCORE (out of 100)
58 Prius C
57 Fit EV
55 Prius & Civic hybrid
54 Insight hybrid
53 Jetta hybrid & Smart for 2 (nonhybrid) & Scion IQ (nonhybrid)
52 Focus EV & Prius V
51 Fusion hybrid & Spark (nonhybrid)
50 Fiat 500 (nonhybrid) & Fiesta (nonhybrid) & Yaris (nonhybrid)
49 Mini Cooper (nonhybrid) & Mazda2 (nonhybrid) & Sonic (nonhybrid) & Focus (nonhybrid) & Veloster (nonhybrid) & Cruze Eco (nonhybrid) & Sonic (nonhybrid)


I like both my hybrids: I don't like the $5 to 10,000 premium when new, but I liked getting them used for half off, and now I'm getting ~60 MPG.

 

[bladecutter]

Originally Posted By: cchase
One would hope that regular posters such as yourself would realize the sheer volume of threads with identical subject material on this forum about Mazda "Skyactiv". We've been averaging a thread a week about the exact same thing.

As has been stated repeatedly by people on here, Mazda is not breaking new ground. They've come up with a clever marketing term to describe what many car manufacturers are doing these days - lightening vehicles, adding direct injection, increasing compression. For some reason, that seems to grant them a lot of time in the limelight in this forum.


Can you name a single other mainstream car company who has used all of the currently available tech, and pushed all of it as far as they have done recently?

Oh, and last time I checked, the iEloop system is all Mazda's design.

BC.

 

[blackman777]

Originally Posted By: cchase
lightening vehicles, adding direct injection, increasing compression. For some reason, that seems to grant Mazda a lot of time in the limelight in this forum.

Not new huh?
Okay.
- Name another company that has a 14:1 engine that can run on standard 87 octane.
- Name another company that has a diesel engine with compression as low as 14:1.
I'd say these ARE new techniques & just as worthy of discussing as the EVs or hybrids. When these were released, all the car magazines talked about them, since it was an engineering feat worth covering. (Just as they covered Ford's new 3 cylinder engine.)

 

[jrustles]

Originally Posted By: cchase
For some reason.


What's the reason, what do you think?

 

[Shannow]

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/mazda_world_first_capacitor_system

sounds pretty hybrid to me...capturing braking effort to use to either start, or run stuff...

 

[blackman777]

Quote:
http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/vis.html

"In 2007 Mazda forecast that internal combustion engines will still account for a high percentage of automobile powertrains even as far ahead as 2020. Consequently, Mazda is prioritizing improvement of the base technologies that are responsible for the core performance of our cars while adopting a Building Block Strategy of gradually introducing electric devices such as regenerative braking, hybrid and other systems."

 

[badtlc]

Same here. Mazda gives me free premium gas so that I can report better MPGs and used oil analysis with zero fuel dilution. It is a sweet deal.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Just for perspective, BMW once had a philosophical objection to hybrids as well. Now they have an entire ActiveHybrid line.


True but I would counter they were forced to embrace this technology. Without newer more stringent government mandates for emissions and FE this tech would only happen when we ran out of oil.

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: cchase
The sad part is that Beta was in every way a superior format to VHS.

Betamax was not superior. The picture resolution for Betamax is 250 lines... that's no better than VHS. And the tapes, even in slow mode, maxed-out at 5 1/2 hours. (VHS could hold 9 hours.) Consumers naturally picked what was more important to them: Being able to record a day of TV while they were not home. VHS did it; Betamax did not.



By the late 80's Betamax was pushing 500 lines of resolution. That's far superior to VHS.

Originally Posted By: blackman777

Not new huh?
Okay.
- Name another company that has a 14:1 engine that can run on standard 87 octane.
- Name another company that has a diesel engine with compression as low as 14:1.
I'd say these ARE new techniques & just as worthy of discussing as the EVs or hybrids. When these were released, all the car magazines talked about them, since it was an engineering feat worth covering. (Just as they covered Ford's new 3 cylinder engine.)


Engines are like tape recorders (if you want to use your analogy). It's a black box. 99% of the public doesn't care whether their engine has 3:1 compression or 300:1 compression. All they care about is output and economy. Whether you get there with a hybrid drivetrain or high compression, dollars to dollars Mazda isn't "leading" anyone in any segment particularly.


I know this will fall on deaf ears since you've made your bias patently clear, but I'm not taking issue with discussing the technology, I'm taking issue with the fact it's been beaten to death every single week here, never with any new information. You've created a thread here that's been created in similar fashion for months on this forum with absolutely nothing to add except more "high compression!" and "Skyactiv!" garbage.

 

[blackman777]

I own a Dodge, Honda, and VW (and no mazdas). Clearly i have no bias, but i recognize good engineering when i see it. It's a bit premature but it's estimate Mazda's new diesèl will "lead" the pack (to use your word) with highest MPG in a US diesel car.

It was Betamax ED that pushed 500 lines..... completely different standard from the original Betamax. Just like VHS and S-VHS are different standards. Or how Digital compact cassette is different from the original compact cassette. Or how a Mac floppy & PC floppy & Commodore floppy & Atari floppy are different standards (though they all use the same 3.5 disk).

It didn't even use the same tapes (BED required metal media and used component video).

 

[blackman777]

Also I only recall making two threads about Mazda. That's hardly onerous

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Also I only recall making two threads about Mazda. That's hardly onerous


You "only" made two threads. Why two?

My point was not that YOU had made many threads, but that there were many threads in existence about the same thing.

Some examples:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2966000

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3157057

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3176676

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2808303

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3107149

You can imagine why it might get a little old?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Or how a Mac floppy & PC floppy & Commodore floppy & Atari floppy are different standards (though they all use the same 3.5 disk).


That's not a great analogy, since the floppy could be readily formatted to work on any of those systems. Try to play a Betamax tape in a VHS VCR and see how far you get in comparison, LOL!

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Or how a Mac floppy & PC floppy & Commodore floppy & Atari floppy are different standards (though they all use the same 3.5 disk).


That's not a great analogy, since the floppy could be readily formatted to work on any of those systems. Try to play a Betamax tape in a VHS VCR and see how far you get in comparison, LOL!


Most DCC players would play analog cassettes too, but I gave up.