Mazda Diesel Coming In July

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by Bladecutter
Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by RayCJ


Are the Mazda's having rust problems in your area?

Ray



Hey Ray, yes big time, I cant speak to the 2014 and up models but everything prior to that is problem. The rear quarters on the 6 are horrific, it starts out on the dog leg and spreads like wildfire up in to the wheel well area and beyond, other models have similar problems in other areas.
Its a shame really, the engines and drive train seem to be good, they ride well and are comfortable. I think if you own it from new and invest in high quality rustproofing the issue can be for the the most part prevented.


You seem to have forgotten the fact that that era of Mazda 6 was built by Ford in Michigan at the Flat Rock Plant.
Feel free to throw some of the blame on Ford for the Mazda 6 rust issues you are seeing.

BC.


Did they make the 3 also? They are just as bad all the way back to when they were known as the GLC. Fords are well known rust buckets, no news there.


So, a bit off topic, but, which brands are best about not rusting, in your experience?

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by Burt
Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by Burt
Why bring out a diesel with the current premium for diesel engine, diesel fuel, the complex chemical treatment for the exhaust and advances in gas engine technology?

And next year all ships will be required to operate on low sulfur diesel rather than bunker fuel, so demand is going way up and the price of diesel with it. Look out.


Believe that is only within x miles of shorelines.

Why? Same reason ships want them - higher thermal efficiency. If this new one gets 50 mpg, the cost delta could be worthwhile.



"From 1 January 2020, all ships and vessels operating anywhere in the world will be required to use fuel which contains a maximum of 0.5 per cent m/m sulphur, as agreed by the International Maritime Organization (IMO) in 2016."

https://www.amsa.gov.au/marine-environment/air-pollution/2020-low-sulphur-fuel


You raise a good point...that decision is already impacting the fuel market for recycled fuels and diesel in Australia.

Used lubricating oil was primarily used in fuel blends for ships, and that's no longer the case, leading to a comparative glut of the product.

Diesel prices have risen as a result.

Further, Australia is exporting all our natural gas which has resulted in wholesale gas prices tripling (*), and there are at least two proposals on the table to build import terminals while we export like crazy...result is that there's not enough cheap gas to run the peakers in South Australia that are increasingly required with their push for renewables...so the OCGTs are being run increasingly on diesel.

Result diesel is about 20c/l more than regular.

(*) my home natural gas prices per unit energy are equivalent to regular unleaded.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted by john_pifer


So, a bit off topic, but, which brands are best about not rusting, in your experience?


I do a lot of rust repair and the ones I see the least rust on major body parts like rockers and rear quarters are VW, BMW, MB, Lexus, Infiniti and Cadillac (after 2000), some of the Toyota and Honda models after 05 are also very good.
I don't count mostly seasonal vehicles.

 

[wag123]

Originally Posted by PimTac
In my own opinion, I am not sure why Mazda continued with the diesel? There were delays and new regulatory hoops they had to jump through. The Volkswagen debacle really screwed the pooch on Diesel engines and as Mazda continued to work on it the regulation and requirement goalposts were being moved. That's why it took all this time.
I might be wrong here but I read that Mazda is expecting 20-30% of sales to be for the diesel. I think that is too optimistic and think it will be far less than 10% for the US market.
Meanwhile, SkyActiv X produced diesel power and torque with gasoline efficiency. That should be their real focus here.

+1
I'm in total agreement with you. IMO if Mazda sends anywhere near 10% of the CX-5 and Mazda6 production in diesels, the dealers are going to get stuck with a LOT of unsold inventory. Maybe they can sell 5% if the up-charge isn't too high, and that might even be optimistic. Demographics are going to play a big part here, Mazdas younger buyers are not going to be nearly as enamored with diesels as some of us older folks have been.
The VW/Audi dieselgate scandal and emission system issues have pretty much killed the market for lower priced passenger vehicle diesels in the USA. They need to send them to other parts of the world where diesels account for up to 50% of the vehicles sold.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by wag123
Originally Posted by PimTac
In my own opinion, I am not sure why Mazda continued with the diesel? There were delays and new regulatory hoops they had to jump through. The Volkswagen debacle really screwed the pooch on Diesel engines and as Mazda continued to work on it the regulation and requirement goalposts were being moved. That's why it took all this time.
I might be wrong here but I read that Mazda is expecting 20-30% of sales to be for the diesel. I think that is too optimistic and think it will be far less than 10% for the US market.
Meanwhile, SkyActiv X produced diesel power and torque with gasoline efficiency. That should be their real focus here.

+1
I'm in total agreement with you. IMO if Mazda sends anywhere near 10% of the CX-5 and Mazda6 production in diesels, the dealers are going to get stuck with a LOT of unsold inventory. Maybe they can sell 5% if the up-charge isn't too high, and that might even be optimistic. Demographics are going to play a big part here, Mazdas younger buyers are not going to be nearly as enamored with diesels as some of us older folks have been.
The VW/Audi dieselgate scandal and emission system issues have pretty much killed the market for lower priced passenger vehicle diesels in the USA. They need to send them to other parts of the world where diesels account for up to 50% of the vehicles sold.





I agree. Some areas that has really done well for Mazda are Australia and SE Asia. Diesel may may more popular there.

 

[Shannow]

Certainly is...

 

[Ws6]

Specs are horrible. Glad I didn't wait and got the turbo gas burner instead.

 

[Andrew1972]

Mazda does niche okay so hopefully finds some success with it. Not many people are interested in diesel including myself. The modern turbo DI stuff in other makes is nearly as decent without a car maker ripping you off in purchase price for a so called premium engine.

 

[pezzy669]

The fuel economy specs (27/30) are really not much better than the 2.5 (24/30) and hwy # is horrific compared to the Equinox/Terrain diesels (28/38).

Even as a diesel fan I see this going over like a lead balloon and imagine lots of Mazda diesels sitting around getting dusty on their new car lots. They might get some conquest VW TDI sales but beyond that I don't imagine the typical consumer would look beyond the 30 MPG hwy # and opt for the lower priced 2.5.

Probably going to be able to get a screaming deal on these after they sit in the back of the lot as the next model year is rolling out.

 

[RayCJ]

Originally Posted by pezzy669


Probably going to be able to get a screaming deal on these after they sit in the back of the lot as the next model year is rolling out.


You're probably right... And I still wouldn't buy one.

Ray

 

[ragtoplvr]

Remembe the chrysler lean burn. I had one. This is form a sample size of one. At about 30 Kit started to misfire. A water treatment to clean the carbon could get you another 15 to 20 K before intake valve deposits got too bad. At that point a regular curve distributor and carb would run to the life of the engine. You could buy one missing cheap.

 

[bdcardinal]

So Mazda basically strong-armed us into buying a whole bunch of maintenance parts for the Skyactiv-D a couple years ago and every single one is still there collecting dust. We ended up selling the Mazda branded DEF on a Ford truck because there was a random time when we ran out of the Ford DEF. Other than that it is all there taking up space.