Marvel Mystery Oil Trial
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so- i assume- using in the crankcase (as the label suggests) would provide it's cleaning properties to the rest of the enguine.....
The bottles label suggests that when used in crankcase oil, it improves oil viscosity- is this true? Seems like this stuff is awfully thin to be able to increase viscosity.
I know a lot of people run stuff like seafoam, or karoseen cleaners before an oil change once and awhile to clean out deposits... Could MMO be used, in high concentrations, or as straight oil for a short duration before a change (at idle speed only) to do a good "cleanout.." or would MMO not provide enough lubrication and just cause more damage in such an attempt?
The bottles label suggests that when used in crankcase oil, it improves oil viscosity- is this true? Seems like this stuff is awfully thin to be able to increase viscosity.
I know a lot of people run stuff like seafoam, or karoseen cleaners before an oil change once and awhile to clean out deposits... Could MMO be used, in high concentrations, or as straight oil for a short duration before a change (at idle speed only) to do a good "cleanout.." or would MMO not provide enough lubrication and just cause more damage in such an attempt?
I called MMO to ask a question about an inverse oiler I have. They no longer make them, too bad it was a great product.
Anyway I asked about mixing MMO with gas to clean fuel injectors. Here is what they said works best. Use a good FI cleaner for 1 tank full, then switch to MMO. MMO will not let carbon solidify, soften any remaining carbon, and not allow it to reform.
People who are seeing more power and better mileage are seeing it because MMO mixed w/fuel gives a better piston ring seal, slightly increasing compression, so you get a little more power.
I have used it for years and it keeps the internals of an engine clean, and lubes the upper cylinder walls, reducing engine wear.
I sometimes add 1/2 to 1 qt to the oil about 100 miles before I change the oil, to break down any junk that might be in the engine.
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Anyway I asked about mixing MMO with gas to clean fuel injectors. Here is what they said works best. Use a good FI cleaner for 1 tank full, then switch to MMO. MMO will not let carbon solidify, soften any remaining carbon, and not allow it to reform.
People who are seeing more power and better mileage are seeing it because MMO mixed w/fuel gives a better piston ring seal, slightly increasing compression, so you get a little more power.
I have used it for years and it keeps the internals of an engine clean, and lubes the upper cylinder walls, reducing engine wear.
I sometimes add 1/2 to 1 qt to the oil about 100 miles before I change the oil, to break down any junk that might be in the engine.
Frank D
"Anyway I asked about mixing MMO with gas to clean fuel injectors. Here is what they said works best. Use a good FI cleaner for 1 tank full, then switch to MMO. MMO will not let carbon solidify, soften any remaining carbon, and not allow it to reform."
My experience supports that. I used 2 bottles of Techron fuel system cleaner in the older Taurus, which pinged a lot going up hill, and it almost got rid of all of the pinging. A couple of tanks of MMO finished up the job, and now it doesn't ping at all. I'm wavering on whether to use it all the time.
The newer Taurus also pinged a lot, so I used a bottle of Gumout fuel system cleaner, then Regane, and it was still pretty noticable so I followed up with some Techron, which made for more a more difference. A couple of tanks of MMO 'finished up' the job, but when I stopped using it for a couple of tanks I'd hear it pinging slightly, and using MMO makes it go away. This is puzzling as MMO decreases octane slightly. Maybe I need to clean out the EGR system as it's designed to cool the combustion process for lower nitrogen compounds, and the system evidently relies on it for reducing detonation.
Anyway, MMO seems to work, and it's affordable.
My experience supports that. I used 2 bottles of Techron fuel system cleaner in the older Taurus, which pinged a lot going up hill, and it almost got rid of all of the pinging. A couple of tanks of MMO finished up the job, and now it doesn't ping at all. I'm wavering on whether to use it all the time.
The newer Taurus also pinged a lot, so I used a bottle of Gumout fuel system cleaner, then Regane, and it was still pretty noticable so I followed up with some Techron, which made for more a more difference. A couple of tanks of MMO 'finished up' the job, but when I stopped using it for a couple of tanks I'd hear it pinging slightly, and using MMO makes it go away. This is puzzling as MMO decreases octane slightly. Maybe I need to clean out the EGR system as it's designed to cool the combustion process for lower nitrogen compounds, and the system evidently relies on it for reducing detonation.
Anyway, MMO seems to work, and it's affordable.
i just put 16oz into the tank of my 02 explorer and after about 20 miles the "check engine soon" light came on meaning that 1-4 of the O2 sensors don't like what is coming out the exhaust.
ideas?
and i did not use any fi cleaner before hand.
ideas?
and i did not use any fi cleaner before hand.
hey sunruh-
this is probably one of those coincidence type situations that lots of folks run into when trying out addatives.
(like, we tried oil addative "X" and then my engine tempurature was lower and took longer to warm up: their thermostat "happened" to get stuck "open" around the same time they did something new to their oil and made an incorrect accociation)
one of your emission related components might have just happened to start acting up when you started this treatment.
this is probably one of those coincidence type situations that lots of folks run into when trying out addatives.
(like, we tried oil addative "X" and then my engine tempurature was lower and took longer to warm up: their thermostat "happened" to get stuck "open" around the same time they did something new to their oil and made an incorrect accociation)
one of your emission related components might have just happened to start acting up when you started this treatment.
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This is true from my observations. The valves on my engine didn't have any hard carbon ..only a soft "soot" that easily came off with a wire wheel. I've seen bad seals make an valve look like a lava flow had solidified on it. With 170k (30k of which was a pre Auto-Rx fogger) I was quite pleased.
"just put 16oz into the tank of my 02 explorer and after about 20 miles the "check engine soon" light came on meaning that 1-4 of the O2 sensors don't like what is coming out the exhaust."
Isn't that 2x to 4x the recommended dose ? I though that 4 ounces was typical.
Isn't that 2x to 4x the recommended dose ? I though that 4 ounces was typical.
this is the regimen i am trying. i ran a tank of techron and am now starting the MMO (6oz/15gal) and will try it for a few tanks. car *seems* to run smoother, but i'm sure that 90% of that is placebo effect. i'm more interested in watching the MPG difference, if any. thats why i'm going for 3 tanks and then will see if there's any difference. the techron made no difference MPG wise.
Sounds like it operates on similar principles. Cleans and lubricates.
Although, I've noticed my store sells both your typical MMO as well as MMO "gas treatment". I'll have to remember to check that out more carefully, rather than dismiss it as a smaller bottle of the same stuff.
seems like 1oz per gallon should be fine.
I've dumped 20oz into a 22 gallon tank. no problems.
I think everyone should wait using this product, till it's been around a while...
It's been around since... the 1930s! Or something
like that... it says so on the bottle.
I used it once in my oil, adding a bottle to the oil
a few days before an oil change. The engine
immediately ran MUCH smoother and with more power.
Of course, this was on an F-150 (302) that had been
abused by the previous owner. (I doubt he ever
changed the oil!!!
)
When I changed the oil, it was a lot blacker than
normal....
like that... it says so on the bottle.
I used it once in my oil, adding a bottle to the oil
a few days before an oil change. The engine
immediately ran MUCH smoother and with more power.
Of course, this was on an F-150 (302) that had been
abused by the previous owner. (I doubt he ever
changed the oil!!!
When I changed the oil, it was a lot blacker than
normal....
put 18.375gal in the tank. 16oz is LESS than 1oz per gal from just what i filled and it was not even on the LOW FUEL warning yet.
FOUR ounces of MMO to every TEN gallons of fuel is the mix ratio that is indicated on the back of the MMO bottle. You can do the math to extrapolate to your particular fuel tank size.
FWIW, I've been adding about 6 ounces of MMO per tankful in my '95 Civic for about five tankfuls now (it holds about 12 gallons). Haven't seen or felt any BIG difference but from prior experience it certainly won't hurt at all. It will likely keep the combustion chambers and valves nice and clean if I continue to use it.
One reason I use six ounces per tank is because the bottle I use to hold the MMO is a 12-ounce restaurant bulk ketchup/mustard/mayo bottle you can get at the Costco Business Centers for just a couple of dollars or so for a six-pack of them- half a bottle is real easy to measure (can't figure out why the grenadine tastes so funny now, though). I also found that the nifty yellow on/off spout that comes with the Kirkland Signature "green cleaner" fits perfectly on these bottles!
Getting time to put that Auto-Rx in the crankcase too...
EDIT: sorry for the threadjack!
One reason I use six ounces per tank is because the bottle I use to hold the MMO is a 12-ounce restaurant bulk ketchup/mustard/mayo bottle you can get at the Costco Business Centers for just a couple of dollars or so for a six-pack of them- half a bottle is real easy to measure (can't figure out why the grenadine tastes so funny now, though). I also found that the nifty yellow on/off spout that comes with the Kirkland Signature "green cleaner" fits perfectly on these bottles!
Getting time to put that Auto-Rx in the crankcase too...
EDIT: sorry for the threadjack!
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