Obviously I'm not Gary, but I think he did 1qt of cheap ATF with 1qt of MMO. Check this thread out by TallPaul in case you haven't looked already http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=003374 AR
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How could a gas additive quiet lifters that reside deep in the engine?
thats why its called Marvel MYSTERY Oil
A mechanic on one aircraft site observed that MMO seemed to work by allowing valves to keep from sticking with heavier deposits, as opposed to removing all of the deposits from around the valves. This suggests increased lubrication, which I guess isn't surprising as it's often described as an upper cylinder lube. If the valves move more freely they'll need less force to actuate, so they might be quieter too. If they actuate more freely with hydraulic lifters they might be providing slightly better flow and slihtly better valve timing too. If this is the case one would expect to see less improvements, maybe noise excepted, with solid lifters.
But, the stuff is probably altering the combustion process a bit too, as it seems to be cleaning the stuff that plain gas leaves behind. I notice that both of our Taurii run smoother too, and that MMO seems to finish up the cleaning process after using two bottles of Chevron fuel system cleaner, as neither car is pinging like they use to going up the hill.
But, the stuff is probably altering the combustion process a bit too, as it seems to be cleaning the stuff that plain gas leaves behind. I notice that both of our Taurii run smoother too, and that MMO seems to finish up the cleaning process after using two bottles of Chevron fuel system cleaner, as neither car is pinging like they use to going up the hill.
Larry, you are extremely naughty!
It was one quart MMO and two quarts ATF. I've tried it on vehicles with carbs and no cats, and on vehicles with FI and cats, and it ALWAYS makes a big, tangible difference.
If you are wanting to clean the engine and give it a good scrub, add 1/2 a bottle of MMO to your gas tank at the pump before you fill up.
That is what I did to give it the shocker.
Also, while pumping the gas, smaell the contents in the bottle, the guys waiting behind you in line will really give you a weird look.
That is what I did to give it the shocker.
Also, while pumping the gas, smaell the contents in the bottle, the guys waiting behind you in line will really give you a weird look.
Gonna have to try this stuff in my Nissan SpecV (QR25DE) and see if it will quiet down the noisey fuel injectors. Just MMO at first ... then maybe a mix of MMO and old 2-cycle oil just to get rid of that stuff.
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My memory is getting foggy on the actual MMO dose it was at least a 32oz bottle and two quarts of cheap Dex III.
For those who are reluctant ..just skip the ATF. Let me do a stand alone ATF plug test on my engine to see if it has been reformulated over the decades to leave crap behind. The plugs should tell.
I have the advantage of doing this on a vehicle that shoud have been on its third owner ..or in the junkyard. I don't think that I can do anything to it that time and the environment hasn't already had its way with. Many of you aren't necessarily in this position.
For those who are reluctant ..just skip the ATF. Let me do a stand alone ATF plug test on my engine to see if it has been reformulated over the decades to leave crap behind. The plugs should tell.
I have the advantage of doing this on a vehicle that shoud have been on its third owner ..or in the junkyard. I don't think that I can do anything to it that time and the environment hasn't already had its way with. Many of you aren't necessarily in this position.
I though you poured MMO in the oil, to quiet the lifters. And you guys haven't got any real name problems. We have a customer that insists on being called Michael not Mike. You could get into trouble calling his name out loud, in public, with Mike instead of Michael. His last name is Hunt. Oooooouch!
I wonder how this stuff compares with Lucas UCL. My Toyota 1.8 1ZZ could use a little something to protect those valves. I'm just worried about the injectors that use a 4 pin design, and the car runs lean by design. Mind you I'm using premium gas to try and keep the injectors and valves clean.
I would run 87 octane. It will keep them just as clean as 91.
With the price of gas right now, best be sticking to regular in Canada. ****, go to CT and get a bottle of their fuel injector cleaner on sale when it is $4 and it will cover 4-5 tanks.
Trying this stuff in my Nissan SpecV right now at the 40z or so per 10 gallons treat rate.
I meticulously track mileage so I'll see if it has any effect on mileage after 2-3 tankfuls.
Can't really comment on quietness or smoothness so far ... the fuel injectors in this engine (QR25DE) seem rather noisy.
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I meticulously track mileage so I'll see if it has any effect on mileage after 2-3 tankfuls.
Can't really comment on quietness or smoothness so far ... the fuel injectors in this engine (QR25DE) seem rather noisy.
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i don't understand how a fuel addative is having any effect on the moving parts in a valve-trane. Lifters/hyrdrolic lifters, cams, etc, are lubricated and cleaned by the oil being pumped into this region. If your fuel addative is getting into your valvetrane- it means you are getting fuel where it does not belong, which breaks down oil viscosity faster- which is bad for your enguine.
This thread is suggesting that I can adjust the properties of my oil by putting something in my gas. This is only true in engines that have blow-by in the valaves and cylinder walls, and this is generally a BAD thing.
So- are yall putting this stuff in your oil and gas? I know MMO recomends using it in both. I tried it in my oil awhile back, seems to thin it out and make my hydrolic lifters tap louder.
This thread is suggesting that I can adjust the properties of my oil by putting something in my gas. This is only true in engines that have blow-by in the valaves and cylinder walls, and this is generally a BAD thing.
So- are yall putting this stuff in your oil and gas? I know MMO recomends using it in both. I tried it in my oil awhile back, seems to thin it out and make my hydrolic lifters tap louder.
thankyou for clearing that up... this thread and others did get me wanting to try it.. Today mixed about 10oz to my 22 gallon tank, bought a 32 oz bottle, will use for the next few changes and record fuel economy and comment on any changes I notice... My upper engine has been developing quite a bit of deposit latally- think it might be related to backpressure (prolly need to have a new cat put in)...
i delivery pizzas with this suv, so, i should have an idea within a few weeks if it is helping or not. I use several tanks a week.
seemed like I used less fuel to go over 100 miles than usual. (still registering around 3/4, usualy is a bit less than this, could be all in my head though)... If I could find an addative that helped fuel economy enough to more than offset the cost of using it, I would be very interested- been getting around 15-16MPG running the AC and running the engine hard. When I first bought this last summer, I was getting more like 18, have lost some efficiancy somewhere.
i delivery pizzas with this suv, so, i should have an idea within a few weeks if it is helping or not. I use several tanks a week.
seemed like I used less fuel to go over 100 miles than usual. (still registering around 3/4, usualy is a bit less than this, could be all in my head though)... If I could find an addative that helped fuel economy enough to more than offset the cost of using it, I would be very interested- been getting around 15-16MPG running the AC and running the engine hard. When I first bought this last summer, I was getting more like 18, have lost some efficiancy somewhere.
My experience is that MMO does help fuel economy when it is used in massive doses in the fuel on an engine that needs combustion chamber and intake valve cleaning. I believe the mileage improves because of that cleaning.
From that point on, it seems there are no further increases in fuel economy from MMO. MMO's most noticeable benefits then seem to be making the engine quieter and smoother, with quicker starting.
In an engine that still needs further cleaning, additional fuel economy gains can be achieved by using ARX to clean the ring packs, at least that has been my very recent experience. And, coupling ARX with FP is even better.
What I don't know is if using ARX and MMO (the MMO in the fuel) is equally beneficial compared to the ARX/FP combination.
I've still got several hundred miles to go with the ARX cleaning stage on my F250, and before I drain out the ARX/Rotella 5W-40 mixture, I'm gonna try some more MMO instead of FP, but in MMO's recommended dosage instead of the heavy dosages I've been using in the recent past.
I'll let y'all know what I find...
From that point on, it seems there are no further increases in fuel economy from MMO. MMO's most noticeable benefits then seem to be making the engine quieter and smoother, with quicker starting.
In an engine that still needs further cleaning, additional fuel economy gains can be achieved by using ARX to clean the ring packs, at least that has been my very recent experience. And, coupling ARX with FP is even better.
What I don't know is if using ARX and MMO (the MMO in the fuel) is equally beneficial compared to the ARX/FP combination.
I've still got several hundred miles to go with the ARX cleaning stage on my F250, and before I drain out the ARX/Rotella 5W-40 mixture, I'm gonna try some more MMO instead of FP, but in MMO's recommended dosage instead of the heavy dosages I've been using in the recent past.
I'll let y'all know what I find...
I thought some of the benefits of MMO are because the upper cylinder walls are slipperier than they would be with the use of straight gasoline.
The reduced friction associated with the rings riding on the cylinder walls is what frees up a touch of power and increase fuel economy.
Should also reduce ring wear as well.
--- Bror Jace
The reduced friction associated with the rings riding on the cylinder walls is what frees up a touch of power and increase fuel economy.
Should also reduce ring wear as well.
--- Bror Jace
No, the whole point of MMO is to clean the combustion chamber.quote:
Originally posted by Bror Jace:
I thought some of the benefits of MMO are because the upper cylinder walls are slipperier than they would be with the use of straight gasoline.
The reduced friction associated with the rings riding on the cylinder walls is what frees up a touch of power and increase fuel economy.
Should also reduce ring wear as well.
--- Bror Jace
Engine oil is responsible for making the cylinder wall slippery.
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