Yes and I don’t know what you’re meaning here.
Some Mannol oils are indeed approved by manufacturer that one can check themselves on VW website. Surprisingly, Mannol oil are as good as more expensive brands
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/werkstatt/motoroel/
@kschachn and @rstcso have already answered this here but interestingly there still seems to be confusion:
Pretty much anyoil that is okay to use on a spesific passenger vehicle can be mixed without a catashrophic result. Meaning, the additive pack in oil 1 and oil 2 will not bond to eachother in a catashrophic manner where they create deposit that will fail your engine anytime soon. This is thanks to API standards I believe, and you will find rare examples of oil where they spesifically tell you not to mix/top up with any other oil (such as Motul 300V), but even they have to be compatiable with other oil at least to a degree, since there is already some oil leftover in your engine when you are change to a different product. In my car I believe that is about 1 quart, if you have an oil coolar probably much more.
But that does not mean the mixture will work better than the parts. It is very possible that if you mix 2 oils, they will perform worse than the least performing one. A barbeque sauce is a good top, so is whipped cream. But if you mix them together it may not really be better than one of them alone kinda thing. So usually it is advisable to stick with a single product, not to prevent an extreme condition, but rather to seek optimal performance. You can think of this like "Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is a great oil that is on the thin side, ESP is a great oil that is on the thick side. But 1:1 mix of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and ESP is probably not a great oil with medium thickness"
Pretty much anyoil that is okay to use on a spesific passenger vehicle can be mixed without a catashrophic result. Meaning, the additive pack in oil 1 and oil 2 will not bond to eachother in a catashrophic manner where they create deposit that will fail your engine anytime soon. This is thanks to API standards I believe, and you will find rare examples of oil where they spesifically tell you not to mix/top up with any other oil (such as Motul 300V), but even they have to be compatiable with other oil at least to a degree, since there is already some oil leftover in your engine when you are change to a different product. In my car I believe that is about 1 quart, if you have an oil coolar probably much more.
But that does not mean the mixture will work better than the parts. It is very possible that if you mix 2 oils, they will perform worse than the least performing one. A barbeque sauce is a good top, so is whipped cream. But if you mix them together it may not really be better than one of them alone kinda thing. So usually it is advisable to stick with a single product, not to prevent an extreme condition, but rather to seek optimal performance. You can think of this like "Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is a great oil that is on the thin side, ESP is a great oil that is on the thick side. But 1:1 mix of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and ESP is probably not a great oil with medium thickness"
sum up: its not the approvals the issue here only, you cant trust a company that in some smds,pds lies to the clients. you avoid it since there are many other companies out there to choose from that clients trust and they dont lie to them,with more or less same price.
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3 pages I'm more confused than convinced.
That is from 2016, their so called approved oils have proven to not meet spec last 5 years.
Use any other oil.
A long time ago I purchased a new car. The manual instructed the owner to choose an oil and to keep using that one from there on. I've always pretty much done this since then.
Except that no brand really stays the same over time.
Which is probably one of the best strategies.
Exactly, you need to see which oil of Mannol you should select. There are some that are approved like 7730 504/507 Oil, and also some API SP approved that you can search in API website yourself. Search for SCT. That is the company name if you are curious.
But I agree, majority of Mannol oil does not have approval, just said recommended for...?
@TijY_ It does not matter if it contains 1%PAO, and 0.0001% Ester, if it is approved by VW and listed in VW website, then it is good.
There is not so much. concern if it is group III, IV with ester or mixture of those. The point is select the one that has real APPROVAL, not just recommended.
It is our choice to decide, just how life is.
There is not so much. concern if it is group III, IV with ester or mixture of those. The point is select the one that has real APPROVAL, not just recommended.
It is our choice to decide, just how life is.
You did not even read the thread nor understand the criteria for the Approval. Don't @me please.
No oil with less then 3.5hths are approved regardless what a paper says
Here's some info about this oil but in 5W-30 grade - briefly it gets burned easily:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mannol-energy-5w-30-ester-consumption.387517/#post-7450139
@zulka
So any news on the VOA? I am also intrigued by the cheap price.
What is suspicious is that they don't publish the Data Sheet for their oils.
Bi-synthetic based on PAO/Ester as a marketing line is also sketchy? I wouldn't be surprised that it is 1% PAO, 1% Ester and ****loads of Zddp/Boron, which would explain why the timing chain got silenced at cold starts.
I might be wrong, since the 0W30 legend Extra has the VW504/507 approval.
personally I may trust the devil but not the Volkswagen Group.
Why would you bother with an opaque oil company while you have the great true PAO/Ester oils from Ravenol?
So any news on the VOA? I am also intrigued by the cheap price.
What is suspicious is that they don't publish the Data Sheet for their oils.
Bi-synthetic based on PAO/Ester as a marketing line is also sketchy? I wouldn't be surprised that it is 1% PAO, 1% Ester and ****loads of Zddp/Boron, which would explain why the timing chain got silenced at cold starts.
I might be wrong, since the 0W30 legend Extra has the VW504/507 approval.
personally I may trust the devil but not the Volkswagen Group.
Why would you bother with an opaque oil company while you have the great true PAO/Ester oils from Ravenol?
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What does PAO or ester have to do with wear? PAO has higher wear than a linear hydrocarbon chain oil. PAO and esters are related to oxidation resistance and formation of deposits and sludge, not wear.
PAO with its high shear stability and Ester with the high polarity, solvency and adhesion to metal, providing better lubrication and preventing dry-start wear.
Esters with a blend of 5-15% into PAO are proven to reduce wear patterns by a large amount.
The effects of anti-wear additives like Zink/Boron are improved.
PAO itself has many disadvantages. But when blended with Esters or Alkylated naphthalenes, it does an outstanding job of reducing wear
Esters with a blend of 5-15% into PAO are proven to reduce wear patterns by a large amount.
The effects of anti-wear additives like Zink/Boron are improved.
PAO itself has many disadvantages. But when blended with Esters or Alkylated naphthalenes, it does an outstanding job of reducing wear
Zink you say?
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