Man shot O'Reilly Auto Parts employees during fight over 'incorrect' oil filter,

[SC Maintenance]

At what point do you take a stand? a full gallon of oil? $1000 of oil? Or whenever you see something that's wrong?

Assume everyone is armed, and then decide if you want to confront them. Minimum wage employee at auto parts store - not there problem. Someone attacking your family - different story.

Very sad all around. The only positive out of it is if someone learns this lesson, and if DA's start doing there jobs.

 

[Jetronic]

Assume everyone is armed, and then decide if you want to confront them. Minimum wage employee at auto parts store - not there problem. Someone attacking your family - different story.

Very sad all around. The only positive out of it is if someone learns this lesson, and if DA's start doing there jobs.

The "not my problem" attitude is what eventually led to all this.

 

[Jetronic]

As an employee ? Never. Call the police, give a description, license plate #, etc. Every medium to large company/corporation (and many small ones) trains their employees not to confront people that steal products. These companies will and do FIRE workers that break this rule.

I know; I'm in the same boat. I sure don't like it though.

 

[SC Maintenance]

The "not my problem" attitude is what eventually led to all this.

Maybe.

Is O'Reilly's going to return the favor to these two dead employees families? No, there going to say they didn't follow company policy and they owe them nothing.

 

[mk378]

Maybe.

Is O'Reilly's going to return the favor to these two dead employees families? No, there going to say they didn't follow company policy and they owe them nothing.

If they hadn't been killed, they'd be fired.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Sad story for a Sunday:

Man shot O'Reilly Auto Parts employees during fight over 'incorrect' oil filter.​

Two men are dead, due to a dispute originating with a reported "wrong" oil filter sold to the gunman at O'Reilly. Dispute reported to escalate as the suspect wanted two quarts of oil, as part of correcting the oil filter disconnect.

All of us need to be ever vigilant in everything we do, everywhere we are, at all times. Not sure what has happened in our society to where two men at work become killed over an oil filter. I am a firm believer that people have less time to commit crimes when they are producing instead of consuming.

https://lawandcrime.com/crime/man-s...g-fight-over-incorrect-oil-filter-police-say/

Okay. Let's provide context. They wanted oil to replace the oil lost from buying the wrong filter.

"Tena's father told deputies they also requested two additional bottles of oil because the original two had been wasted since the first filter was "incorrect," according to the sheriff's office. An argument ensued with staff. Tena, upset, allegedly grabbed the oil he wanted and left.".

The defendant then took 2 bottles of oil and left the store and the store employees followed him outside where an argument ensued. Following people over an alleged theft is a HUGE no no in the retail space.

 

[SC Maintenance]

If they hadn't been killed, they'd be fired.

Yes, and as harsh as that sounds its correct, so the next person doesn't end up shot over 2 quarts of oil.

 

[Jetronic]

As a former Marine, former SWAT member and retired LEO, I won't intervene in any situation that involves property, not even my own. However, any situation that involves physical harm to an innocent or me will be dealt with, even if it means I have to trade my life for the objective.

That's the thing that most people don't get, the cost of failure vs the "loss" if one fails to engage. Many of these good samaritans are good at something in life, but not usually as good at up close violence as their assailants.

Right, so you wouldnt intervene whzn the guy walks out with oil, but that led directly to 2 people getting shot.

What you don't realise it's not about the loss of property at all.

 

[Jetronic]

Okay. Let's provide context. They wanted oil to replace the oil lost from buying the wrong filter.

"Tena's father told deputies they also requested two additional bottles of oil because the original two had been wasted since the first filter was "incorrect," according to the sheriff's office. An argument ensued with staff. Tena, upset, allegedly grabbed the oil he wanted and left.".

The defendant then took 2 bottles of oil and left the store and the store employees followed him outside where an argument ensued. Following people over an alleged theft is a HUGE no no in the retail space.

What if they went out to write down a license plate?

 

[Blagoje]

At what point do you take a stand? a full gallon of oil? $1000 of oil? Or whenever you see something that's wrong?

Considering that the person in question lost their life, would it have been worth "making a stand" Knowing that the outcome would have not been better if they did?

I value human life more than any consumer product. Engaging in self-restraint would have been the better decision in this instance and "taking a stand" would only lead to the same bad outcome that happened.

If they hadn't been killed, they'd be fired.

So in this instance they would either be fired or fired at? I'll take the former every time.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

What if they went out to write down a license plate?

They didn't but even then there's no need. They're on camera

 

[SC Maintenance]

What if they went out to write down a license plate?

Quite possibly this is what happened. We don't get to hear the other side of the story.

However when dealing with crazy people the best plan is to create distance. Presumably the store had security camera's that would capture the plate. If they did not its just further proof the company is not interested in its own security either.

 

[Pablo]

Thieves know they can just walk out with stuff.

Complete amateur hour

 

[JeffKeryk]

I have to believe O'Reilly's procedure is not to confront like that. Of course do we know the whole story.

 

[dogememe]

I may or may not have a slight clue about the company in questions policy.

Physically blocking a shoplifter or going outside will get you fired.

That said, the guy clearly was mentally ill and should have been taken care of by the legal system in one of his prior incidents, in which case this situation would never have happened.

So it’s a failure of society, our legal system, and in the end… someone died over $20 in motor oil, which is just tragic.

 

[burbguy82]

I can possibly understand why the suspect (and his father) wanted some oil; they had to replace the volume presumably lost to the incorrect filter. The story does not indicate the details; we can only assume some things at this point. I'm not sure what filter hold 2 qrts, as that seems a bit excessive for anything but a large diesel engine filter like the old 7.3L PSD uses. And, how did they come to realize the filter was "wrong"? Did they attempt to install it and it wouldn't fit? And did they already pre-fill the filter with oil?

None of that really has much bearing now; two men are dead over a stupid dispute. They felt cheated by being sold a wrong filter. And they want restitution. But that does not entitle you to demand it. Or steal the oil (which is what they did, by taking 2 qrts without paying and walking out). Or kill someone.

Several potential options would have had a better outcome:
- ask to see a manager; if he's not there, schedule a call with him the next day
- log a complaint with corporate OR's
- choose to walk away and never return to that store, and if you feel compelled, bash them verbally on the inter-webby via your social media outlets
- attempt to negotiate a "deal" by getting the oil at a discount (but not "free")
- file a small-claims suit

I could see intention and character, playing a large role in the outcome of this case.

If they went to the store, with the intent on demanding free oil for the store's transgression, using guns as their leverage, it could be interpreted as deadly force....or premeditated murder. In other words: using a gun or brandishing a gun, to make someone do something, is a life threatening thing, to the one who is being pointed at.

Not a good outcome, but it seems as though a good outcome was not what was intended....likely manslaughter.

"Richard Newman, 47, and Jesus Valdez, 18, followed Tena outside and confronted him, the sheriff's office said. Tena allegedly grabbed a gun and shot both men. "

 

[Dave Hess]

To be honest I absolutely avoid retail stores unless it’s shopping for fresh produce and vegetables.

Way too many mentally unstable people out there looking for trouble.

Amazon for 95% of what I want (need) to purchase.

 

[goblin]

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Amazon for 95% of what I want (need) to purchase.

I had to stop Amazon drivers three times in our little sleepy dead-end, asking them to slow down, explaining that there are kids and pets playing behind that blind curve they are taking on two wheels.
Each time they have looked at me smiling, not understanding a single word of English, waiting for me to release them, blasting away in a dusty drift.

Then three weeks ago they ran over one of the neighbor's dogs. And we're lighting a candle that it wasn't one of the kids.
Enthropy is merciless, and lurks from behind every corner.

 

[GON]

To be honest I absolutely avoid retail stores unless it’s shopping for fresh produce and vegetables.

Way too many mentally unstable people out there looking for trouble.

Amazon for 95% of what I want (need) to purchase.

Your comment is interesting and something I get.

Question is- where does it end? I read quite a bit, and something not published is how often random home invasions resulting in death occur. Making your home a "compound"--- is that the solution? Or is the answer to charge and prosecute defendants for crimes committed to the full extent of the law? A pattern in many of the crimes like the auto part store deaths, is rarely this is the defendant's first criminal charge.

 

[Dave Hess]

I may or may not have a slight clue about the company in questions policy.

Physically blocking a shoplifter or going outside will get you fired.

That said, the guy clearly was mentally ill and should have been taken care of by the legal system in one of his prior incidents, in which case this situation would never have happened.

So it’s a failure of society, our legal system, and in the end… someone died over $20 in motor oil, which is just tragic.

30 years ago my brother’s friend was an undercover loss prevention officer at Publix Supermarket.

There was a seafood restaurant in the shopping center, the owner of restaurant would send his cook to buy a few things at Publix and give the cook $20 to pay for it.

The cook would shoplift the items and pocket the $20. This happened a few times until the undercover loss prevention officer caught the guy as he exited the store and asked him to come back into Publix.

The cook takes a swing a the LP officer. They get into a fight and LP officer punches the cook in the face knocking him out. Cops show up and arrest the cook with stolen merchandise in his pockets.

The LP officer would eventually join the Army and then become a police officer.

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There’s no way I could be a LP officer with all the trash shoplifting today. I shop for groceries at 7 AM to avoid crowds and idiots.