Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago: ‘biggest scam of modern times’

[OVERKILL]

Your argument would be valid, (that this guy is a "moron"), if Ford advertised the correct numbers, and he bought it anyway, and then started complaining. But that was not the case. The reality is he was outright lied to, and duped into purchasing something that could not perform the task it was designed, advertised, and sold to do.


"Ford estimates that range for the 2022 F-150 Lightning electric pickup will be 230 miles for trucks with the standard battery and 300 miles on trucks with the extended-range pack".

Ford advertises EPA figures, just like everyone else, which, as we know from gas vehicles, can be close, or not so close, because it's based on a specific drive cycle.

There's no lie here. The EPA cycles are not done with a fully loaded vehicle, which will have an impact on range for both electric and non-electric vehicles.

Ford advertises 320 miles as the EPA range for the 2023 Lightning Lariat. Assuming a linear relationship between indicated battery capacity and range, that means for every 1%, the truck can go 3.2 miles based on EPA cycle style driving. Assuming he took MB-75 South, he drove 224 miles and had 10% charge left, so that's a total range of 256 miles, or 2.56 miles per 1%. It would be more useful if we knew how many kWh the vehicle took to charge, but this is what we have.

Per the table I provided in this post:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ightening-by-7-16.371337/page-12#post-6561613

70Mph (non-EPA) range as tested by InsideEV's for the Lightning with the extended range battery is 270 miles, which he was very close to.

A quick glance at that table shows that EPA vs real range is all over the map and the F-150 is not the worst offender, being close to the Tesla Model Y and doing better than the Rivian.

Speed and weight have a bigger impact on EV's, generally, than to do on gas and diesel vehicles. The buyer needs to understand this and adjust their expectations accordingly if their driving habits aren't going to mirror the EPA testing protocol.

 

[wpod]

Dumb people do dumb things.

 

[JeffKeryk]

You mean he spent that kinda $$ and he cain't even roll coal? Who would do such a thing?

 

[K-Man]

The Lightning owner learned that virtue signaling has a price. It always does.

Of course, you do need to wonder why Ford charges so much for the Lightning compared with a standard ICE F–series. The EV drivetrain should be simpler, right? We've been discussing what I suspect is simple price gouging for EVs, which cost, guess who, the virtue signalers.

 

[JeffKeryk]

The Lightning owner learned that virtue signaling has a price. It always does.

Of course, you do need to wonder why Ford charges so much for the Lightning compared with a standard ICE F–series. The EV drivetrain should be simpler, right? We've been discussing what I suspect is simple price gouging for EVs, which cost, guess who, the virtue signalers.

Ford loses billions on their EV business...

 

[fdcg27]

200 miles range with a heavy load at highway speeds in something with barn door aerodynamics doesn't sound bad at all. In this case, had the guy not planned around what proved to be two broken chargers it would've all been good.
The only question is whether the guy realized he was in the early adopter mode when he bought the truck, as with any EV.
The infrastructure is not yet remotely comparable to that for ICEs, but that's a bit of a chicken and egg thing. Unless there are adult chickens there won't be any eggs and until EV numbers reach a certain minimum level charging opportunities outside of major urban areas and the corridors between them will remain sparse and unreliable.
I'll add that the guy must have been pretty happy with the truck having owned it for some months and having chosen to take it on a long family trip. He would otherwise have rented something else for the trip. Hindsight being 20:20, he no doubt wishes he had done so to begin with.
In short, really nothing here to see, move on.

 

[CKN]

Two Points-
Even idiots can buy an EV F-150
Everyone knows towing isn't there yet for EV [pickups.
Where is the Revelation from the noted source?
Hint-there are not any.

 

[GON]

What I am learning about EVs is they are currently for "nitch" users. They are currently not a match for many of the general American public.

Don't need a vehicle and live in a urban area....a ev might be real good match. Commuter car xx miles roundtrip daily to the office or train station....ev might be a real good match. For many others, to include entry level blue collar workers, might not be a good fit currently.

 

[Torrid]

Two Points-
Even idiots can buy an EV F-150
Everyone knows towing isn't there yet for EV [pickups.
Where is the Revelation from the noted source?
Hint-there are not any.

It's very much a boat to the lake and back 50 miles from home. I don't know that I would be interested in doing more than that.

 

[CKN]

What I am learning about EVs is they are currently for "nitch" users. They are currently not a match for many of the general American public.

Don't need a vehicle and live in a urban area....a ev might be real good match. Commuter car xx miles roundtrip daily to the office or train station....ev might be a real good match. For many others, to include entry level blue collar workers, might not be a good fit currently.

Tell that to the multitudes who have driven their Teslas across the country....

 

[JeffKeryk]

What I am learning about EVs is they are currently for "nitch" users. They are currently not a match for many of the general American public.

Don't need a vehicle and live in a urban area....a ev might be real good match. Commuter car xx miles roundtrip daily to the office or train station....ev might be a real good match. For many others, to include entry level blue collar workers, might not be a good fit currently.

No vehicle fits all use cases. Of course that doesn't stop people from buying the wrong one...

 

[GON]

Wow, that means I am in big trouble. My wife is very educated and is well respected (and compensated) in Silicon Valley. Far smarter than I could ever hope to be...

My Wife is very well educated, well respected, but unlike your Wife my wife is a licensed mental health professional, who does all her work pro-bono. So, my Wife is not well compensated, actually because of malpractice insurance and many other thousands of dollars of annual expenses, her profession is at major net loss to the family income.

My Wife doesn't know how to put gas in the car, which I do know how to do. But she knows how to console a parent whose child was killed at random by a gunman, counsel a parent who's child has a terminal disease, and many other issues- that I am clueless about.

We all bring different talents to the world. Empathy is good to utilize in many situations that we may not be able to connect the dots through only our eyes.

 

[Astro14]

That’s enough. Bickering. Stereotyping. Even a political statement. All gone, but we should take a break.