Man charged with manslaughter after target shooting death

...and just like that, a baby is motherless for life, not just whatever the term of incarceration will be.
Not wanting to be a short name for Richard here, but - it could've been not her baby. We don't know much. Could've been a grandkid or even a grand-grandkid.

What hit me is this sentence in the article:

"...canvassed several residences to the north of the deadly shooting and found that all but one -- Adams' -- had "suitable shooting backstops or firing locations"...".

I don't know if this means "Every house checked had a secured target practice spot" or "some had secured target practice spots, the rest had a hill or a slope or whatever natural geography was acting like a backstop", but one way or the other to me this means this neighborhood sounded like 4th of July quite often...

Which is even less excuse for that subtard. If the whole neighborhood knew to do the right thing, he should've known too. Not too far from thinking he was just going that way all the time.
 
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Four Primary Rules of Firearm Safety​


1. Treat All Firearms as if They Are Loaded​


Always assume that every firearm is loaded. This mindset helps prevent accidents. When handling a gun, always check to ensure it is unloaded.


2. Never Point the Muzzle at Anything You Do Not Intend to Destroy​


Always keep the firearm pointed in a safe direction. This means aiming away from people and objects that you do not intend to shoot. If the gun accidentally discharges, no harm will occur as long as it is pointed safely.


3. Keep Your Finger Off the Trigger Until You Are Ready to Shoot​


Do not place your finger on the trigger until your sights are aligned on the target and you are prepared to fire. This helps prevent accidental discharges.


4. Always Be Sure of Your Target and What Is Beyond It


Before shooting, know exactly what you are aiming at and what lies beyond it. Bullets can travel far and may hit unintended targets, so ensure that the area is safe.
 
Here in this rural neighborhood any weekend there is target practice and/or fireworks going off. Short of inspecting every property nearby it`ts unknown what care is being followed.
 
Other than the fact it wasn't in Waco but at Ruby Ridge, and she wasn't walking out in the open with a baby in her arms but behind a door, clearly unseen by the sniper, and that the bullet she was killed by was a bullet aimed at Harris who was outside and clearly armed - you got it all correct.

Sorry for letting facts getting in the way of a crunchy story. Will try not to do it again.
You’ve left out a couple of points - important ones.

The FBI Agents showed up at the compound/ranch in Camouflage, did not identify themselves, shot and killed the Weaver’s dog when the dog charged them, and then pointed their weapons at the Weavers’ 14 year old son, who shot back.

The 14 year old boy was shot, in the back, by the agents.

Then during the stand off, Lon Horiuchi, the sniper, shot Weaver in the back while he was opening his shed to check on his son’s body. Horiuchi then shot at Harris, but killed Vicky Weaver.

The DOJ found that the FBI HRT did not comply with Constitutional rules on the use of force. Reports and investigations were heavily redacted.
 
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The DOJ found that the FBI HRT did not comply with Constitutional rules on the use of force. Reports and investigations were heavily redacted.
I don't have to include any of the above points, as I never have disputed the absulute mongrel-level stupidity the FBI approached this case with. There's no contest on that. Never have I defended them.

What I am disputing is this statement:

"...shot an unarmed woman walking holding a baby with clear intent through a scope..."

It is false, misleading, and with the clear intent to mislead. AND, it shows a clear lack of one doing their homework before publishing a loaded statement and expecting others to approve of it. And I'm calling on it.

This doesn't stop me from thinking that on this day that specific FBI team was brainless, nasty, unprofessional, stupid, irresponsible, criminally unprepared, and working on a rules of engagement framework which turned out to be unconstitutional to begin with, so - A LOT of rot to deal with.

Tomorrow, a statement like that can be made about me, or about you. And I surely hope someone would step in then.

I am not against misleading statements. I am not against someone throwing something patently false in my face, because it suits them, or because they genuinely bought into it.

What I have an allergy to, however, is someone throwing this in my face without doing their homework. Things like that dumbify us as a species.

Lie to me, but do it right 😇
 
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I ONLY would go to an approved range to practice. Too risky otherwise.
I used to, but got tired of the political talk. I know to own a firearm is to take a side, but geez, I just want to shoot some paper.

Been meaning to work on my "range" at home. I think my berm is good enough, but I worry about ricochets from the current stump. Some day I should make a real box filled with sand.
 
Let's stay on point here folks, and not go off topic (Ruby Ridge, etc). That's just a stone's throw away from getting political and will end with the thread getting shut down.
 
Looks like my kinda place.
I am not comfortable with target shooting going on in any residential “neighborhood”Kids dont know property lines and are impulsive. Just too risky. Got to go to a range or out to the countryside for that. It just seems like the risk/reward is too high on the risk side. I say this as an NRA member and gun lover.
 
That’s true nearly everywhere in suburban and urban areas. But that’s not the real crime - the real crime is being unsure of your target and what’s beyond. A basic failure in responsibility that lead to a person’s death. A foolish, irresponsible person who killed someone through their own stupidity.
I am no gun expert. But we had high school fraternities when I was in my teens which were 15 to 20 year old guys just like college frats but no college.

Anyway at 15 a rival fraternity shot at our frat house rented at Point Breeze NY.

They broke in a beat one of the guys really bad and I heard bullets whizzing by in the back..no one was hit .They were hitting hedges and plants near me . But they missed .

These were .38 caliber . Shot from inside and went through ALL the walls in then out then next room then out the back. These were not block construction - but still - I was shocked when I saw it.

BUT when I went back in afterwards - the bullets went through the walls and out the back of the cottage !

38 Handgun !

The POINT - So when you see on TV people shooting at each other and hiding behind a wall or two - this probably will not work !

.3 miles away would NOT be a bounce off the ground except MAYBE a freak slug off a rock - but highly unlikely.

But magnum loads and especially rifles even a 22 long can easily go half a mile or more.

I like Florida - but was surprised that it became an open carry state !¿

Anyway there are fewer shootings on the highway than I thought but always kids seem to find the guns in the home and there are heartbreaking stories.
 
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Akin to driving drunk. Reckless decision and someone lost their life because of it.
Yeah, sadly stuff happens, a moment in time, a mistake, a life lost and another life changed forever. I would guess he will get a manslaughter conviction, 7 years, time off for good behavior. Barring things we don't know such as gross negligence, drunk wildly waving a gun around etc, etc.
 
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"...canvassed several residences to the north of the deadly shooting and found that all but one -- Adams' -- had "suitable shooting backstops or firing locations"...".
That could be, and probably is, just poorly written. Yes, it sounds like they're saying "all" of the residences had shooting ranges set up in their back yard but it could and probably just means that the ones with shooting setups were set up properly.
 
I don't have to include any of the above points, as I never have disputed the absulute mongrel-level stupidity the FBI approached this case with. There's no contest on that. Never have I defended them.

What I am disputing is this statement:

"...shot an unarmed woman walking holding a baby with clear intent through a scope..."

It is false, misleading, and with the clear intent to mislead. AND, it shows a clear lack of one doing their homework before publishing a loaded statement and expecting others to approve of it. And I'm calling on it.

This doesn't stop me from thinking that on this day that specific FBI team was brainless, nasty, unprofessional, stupid, irresponsible, criminally unprepared, and working on a rules of engagement framework which turned out to be unconstitutional to begin with, so - A LOT of rot to deal with.

Tomorrow, a statement like that can be made about me, or about you. And I surely hope someone would step in then.

I am not against misleading statements. I am not against someone throwing something patently false in my face, because it suits them, or because they genuinely bought into it.

What I have an allergy to, however, is someone throwing this in my face without doing their homework. Things like that dumbify us as a species.

Lie to me, but do it right 😇
We, you and I, agree that the quote isn’t accurate - there was no clear intent through the scope - but you complain about selective facts in your post, and offered selective facts in return.

If you’re going to tell the story, tell the whole story, with all the details and let others make their own determination.

Don’t offer a selective set of facts, omitting important ones, to counter a flawed narrative - you’re simply offering an equally flawed narrative, and participating in the very thing about which you are complaining - “dumbification” - by offering an equally misleading statement, and “throwing it in our face”.
 
I am no gun expert. But we had high school fraternities when I was in my teens which were 15 to 20 year old guys just like college frats but no college.

Anyway at 15 a rival fraternity shot at our frat house rented at Point Breeze NY.

They broke in a beat one of the guys really bad and I heard bullets whizzing by in the back..no one was hit .They were hitting hedges and plants near me . But they missed .

These were .38 caliber . Shot from inside and went through ALL the walls in then out then next room then out the back. These were not block construction - but still - I was shocked when I saw it.

BUT when I went back in afterwards - the bullets went through the walls and out the back of the cottage !

38 Handgun !

The POINT - So when you see on TV people shooting at each other and hiding behind a wall or two - this probably will not work !

.3 miles away would NOT be a bounce off the ground except MAYBE a freak slug off a rock - but highly unlikely.

But magnum loads and especially rifles even a 22 long can easily go half a mile or more.

I like Florida - but was surprised that it became an open carry state !¿

Anyway there are fewer shootings on the highway than I thought but always kids seem to find the guns in the home and there are heartbreaking stories.
It’s pretty clear that you’re not an experienced shooter.

Most experienced shooters know that drywall will not stop a pistol round. The high velocity of a small rifle round, like a 55g 5.56, will often cause the projectile to break up in drywall, unless it’s a heavier bullet, or steel cored. Larger calibers like .308, will punch right through drywall with no problem.

Most experienced shooters understand the difference between cover, that is, something that will stop a bullet, and concealment, that is something behind which your adversary cannot see you, but may or may not stop a bullet.

Clearly, in a gun fight, cover is preferable.

Most experienced shooters, and anyone with a modicum of common sense, would know that what’s depicted on television or in Hollywood is inaccurate when it comes to firearms.

As far as the distance is for projectiles, Magnum rounds aren’t a whole lot better than regular pistol rounds, the ballistic coefficient on something like a 44 magnum is abysmal, and the bullet velocity really drops off with distance. Most pistol rounds go about half a mile, while rifle rounds, and by that I mean real rifle, not 22 long rifle, can travel over a mile. While you cannot aim fire at those distances, the bullet still carries enough velocity to do damage on impact.

I don’t know what you mean by “Florida became an open carry state”. Florida is one of many states that changed from “May issue” “shall issue“ when it comes to concealed carry permits. What that means is that in order to deny somebody a permit, the issuing authority has to have good reason.

It used to be that the issuing authority didn’t have to have any reason to denies somebody a permit, and it was completely at their discretion, that’s what “May issue“ means - that for no good reason, the sheriff, Department of fish and wildlife, whatever it happens to be, can simply deny somebody the right to carry for whatever whim they feel.

I think the change to “shall issue“, in which the issuing authority has to show good cause to deny a permit, is a lot more fair.

Finally, and I mean this, sincerely, if you were in a fraternity that used to shoot at each other, you were actually in a gang, with thugs as “brothers”.

There is nothing fraternal, or academic, about young men shooting at each other to resolve their differences.
 
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We need more of this…this was on reddit today captioned as 1955 Indiana school gun safety demonstration. My dad said when he was young they would take their .22 to school for shooting club. Sure werent the same number of school shootings then.
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