Major Automakers Start New Charging Network

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As a Tesla owner I say bring it on. Tesla Superchargers work really well and if someone wants to compete (which will require comparable simplicity and reliability) I'm delighted to see it.

In Canada one of the retail majors installed a network of chargers with CCS and chademo outlets. And built them along the same cross Canada route as the Tesla Superchargers, but without the side routes already being provided by Tesla. In my opinion, that's not competition. Sure didn't do me any good. I won't be buying an adapter so I can use their system.

This new system with CCS and NACS outlets sounds like a better idea.
 
I heard this early this morning and had a good laugh. Lets go all electric! Cars, trucks, heating, hot water, and lets make sure to phase out wood and coal pizza ovens too. Sorry guys we're still quite a few decades away, and going about this nonsense all wrong. Maybe Elon can install a small reactor at each of the Supercharger stations. ;)

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I've long said that range concerns would diminish rapidly once everyone jumped on board and got with it.
Range anxiety is real, but primarily because we are used to the norm, gas station fueling. You learn; I sure did, and I can be a knuckle head. Our Mid Range Model 3 is great; the next one will be a Long Range to more easily support the longer day trips. I do not see myself buying another ICE vehicle. The possible exception would be a pickup.
 
We will not know how convenient or inconvenient it is to re-charge EVs on the road until EVs make up 20% or more vehicles on the road. That is decades away and if it's faster well, we will see how long people will tolerate long lines of people who want to charge.
What I am saying, not for or against but it's one big unknown.

All we know for certain is current battery powered EVs do make sense for a certain percentage of the population in the way they use their vehicle.
At the same time there is no denying gasoline doesnt need a certain use to be convenient for the vast majority of the population.

I do know, current battery operated EV technology will be considered "vintage" in 10 to 20 years IF it ever wants to one day decades later have a chance of actually replacing gasoline as a majority. As currently (no pun intended) gasoline is one size fits all uses, not so with battery powered cars.
 
We will not know how convenient or inconvenient it is to re-charge EVs on the road until EVs make up 20% or more vehicles on the road. That is decades away and if it's faster well, we will see how long people will tolerate long lines of people who want to charge.
What I am saying, not for or against but it's one big unknown.

All we know for certain is current battery powered EVs do make sense for a certain percentage of the population in the way they use their vehicle.
At the same time there is no denying gasoline doesnt need a certain use to be convenient for the vast majority of the population.

I do know, current battery operated EV technology will be considered "vintage" in 10 to 20 years IF it ever wants to one day decades later have a chance of actually replacing gasoline as a majority. As currently (no pun intended) gasoline is one size fits all uses, not so with battery powered cars.
Current charging network will have to expand massively for that of course to do away with the possibility of lines. Definitely a lot of what ifs need to be accounted for. I'm curious to see what happens.
 
Current charging network will have to expand massively for that of course to do away with the possibility of lines. Definitely a lot of what ifs need to be accounted for. I'm curious to see what happens.
It's going to be an interesting couple decades to see how it all pans out. I still feel we are in the infancy as far as the technology. I actually do not expect EVs as we know them today to be the same as 15 years from now.

I think pricing will be a big factor on market penetration as well, I dont see Americans downsizing their main vehicle just to be "EV" which leads us to where technology will be 15 years from now or less.

The next thing is currently right at our doorstep, electric grid can not handle an "instant" move to EVs even if they currently were have the price and even cheaper than vehicles of all sizes including 3 row SUVs. Being realistic one just has to do a search of "power alerts" for even today July 28th. The whole grid today would crash if even maybe 5% of vehicles were on the road and 10% for sure half the urban areas in the country would be blacked out *LOL*

This is why I am sure, things are not going to move forward at half the speed some might be expecting and by that I do not mean sales of EVs which of course all companies are starting to produce and I months back purchased for me, a significant amount of GM. I do believe in the future and all this EV hype had me purchase at $33 a share. Im not making a statement in the car market. Im making a bank statement of I saw little downsize risk with all the media exposure and car sales. So do I get greedy or am I happy with the 15 to 20% gain, my brain says sell and buy it back when it goes down to $33 again, my emotions says what if it doesnt go down to $33 again.. so, oh well.

I do get excited because I LOVE electronics, I have my whole life. So I think I do want to by a small (lack of better words)cheap one, I always will have my 3 row gasoline SUV of any brand and since our move to the coast, with a wife that works from home, me retired, her small Mazda goes no place except around town. She likes the look of the BOLT EUV, so do I. Never sat in one, people seem to like them (remember around town for us) and next year the new Bolt platform will come out, so maybe in two years, assuming pricing will be at a sane point. Who knows? There are also cool looking gasoline cars we would consider... time will tell.

All this long post to say, yeah, it's interesting times for sure, EVs are here to stay, I just think, looking forward newer technology will make todays technology look old. Which when anyone thinks about it, what new electronic device didnt get replaced with something better?
 
This is good news. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the opportunity exists for third party companies to build charging stations that all EV's could use. And while GM isn't a third party and their move is somewhat self-serving, it's certainly an example of someone seizing the opportunity to make some money. I hope to see more of these kinds of moves.
 
We will not know how convenient or inconvenient it is to re-charge EVs on the road until EVs make up 20% or more vehicles on the road. That is decades away and if it's faster well, we will see how long people will tolerate long lines of people who want to charge.
What I am saying, not for or against but it's one big unknown.

All we know for certain is current battery powered EVs do make sense for a certain percentage of the population in the way they use their vehicle.
At the same time there is no denying gasoline doesnt need a certain use to be convenient for the vast majority of the population.

I do know, current battery operated EV technology will be considered "vintage" in 10 to 20 years IF it ever wants to one day decades later have a chance of actually replacing gasoline as a majority. As currently (no pun intended) gasoline is one size fits all uses, not so with battery powered cars.
I find it inconvenient any time I need to stop at the gas station to refuel. It would be much more convenient to plug my car in at home. A solid 300 mile range would work for me 99% of the time.

Regarding refueling or recharging on the road, there are often long lines for gasoline on the NJTPK at the rest stops on high travel days.
 
I find it inconvenient any time I need to stop at the gas station to refuel. It would be much more convenient to plug my car in at home. A solid 300 mile range would work for me 99% of the time.

Regarding refueling or recharging on the road, there are often long lines for gasoline on the NJTPK at the rest stops on high travel days.
I'm jealous of my wife for her Tesla because it would cover my driving just fine to not have to make fuel stops. Its worked great for me when I have used it, but then I'd be that jerk that stole her car.

I really do like my car a lot though and I prefer the form factor of the small hatch design. It's likely a better fit for my usage than a sedan. While I could do fine with a sedan I like my hatch for the same reasons why I liked my truck. Cargo space when I needed it.

If someone comes out with a legitimate performance EV hatch instead of a crossover, I'd probably be very interested. I think the issue probably is that it doesn't leave enough space to have enough battery to get close to a 300 mile range in a vehicle the size of a GTI.
 
I find it inconvenient any time I need to stop at the gas station to refuel. It would be much more convenient to plug my car in at home. A solid 300 mile range would work for me 99% of the time.

Regarding refueling or recharging on the road, there are often long lines for gasoline on the NJTPK at the rest stops on high travel days.
I agree, exactly. For some people this will be a convenience. I suspect even more people as a second car.
I also suspect for a primary car gasoline will be not only more convenient but vastly more comfortable and useful at the price point that s gasoline car/SUV can be bought at.
I will predict as a primary family car or anyone that wants a large vehicle be it SUV or truck gasoline will rule for decades unless some breakthrough alternative power for an EV and resulting competitive cost come to market.
 
Update on this. It’s called IONNA and the first sites are under construction now. Toyota also joined up to fund these.

Thankfully they’re using the new 400kW / 800+ volt Alptronic Hypercharger 400s. Built in Wisconsin.

CCS1 and NACS cables
Plug and Charge & Autocharge standard.

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Update on this. It’s called IONNA and the first sites are under construction now. Toyota also joined up to fund these.

Thankfully they’re using the new 400kW / 800+ volt Alptronic Hypercharger 400s. Built in Wisconsin.

CCS1 and NACS cables
Plug and Charge & Autocharge standard.

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The duration that most evs seem to actually take that level of power seems quite small.

I was at a 350kW charger last year, certainly didn’t see those levels achieved.

For a 75kWh battery, 300kW charge is a 4:1 power to energy ratio. Similarly for a 100kWh battery, 400kW charge is the same. Doable but pretty aggressive if life is going to be sustained.
 
The duration that most evs seem to actually take that level of power seems quite small.

I was at a 350kW charger last year, certainly didn’t see those levels achieved.

For a 75kWh battery, 300kW charge is a 4:1 power to energy ratio. Similarly for a 100kWh battery, 400kW charge is the same. Doable but pretty aggressive if life is going to be sustained.

It my understanding these are shared power units. So if you plug in two, they’ll each share a total of 400kW.

I guess good future-proofing if nothing else. GM BT1 trucks will peak around 380kW and hold 350kW through 50% or so. More and more of those hitting the road. Hummer EV, Silverado EV, Sierra EV, with Escalade IQ coming this quarter. Probably a Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon EV in 2026.

I’d bet since GM was part of this, they pushed hard for 400kW units so more people can get max charging from their BT1 EVs.
 
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30,000 DC fast chargers in North America. First sites open Summer 2024. Will have both CCS and NACS connectors. Open to all vehicle brands. Canopies over chargers.

Long overdue, but good to see it’s happening.

“Founding members” are BMW, Mercedes, GM, Hyundai/Kia, Honda, Stellantis. More likely to join.

https://insideevs.com/news/678791/seven-carmakers-launch-new-ev-charging-network-north-america/



Canopies over chargers, what an invention. No more standing in the rain with electricity.
 
It my understanding these are shared power units. So if you plug in two, they’ll each share a total of 400kW.

I guess good future-proofing if nothing else. GM BT1 trucks will peak around 380kW and hold 350kW through 50% or so. More and more of those hitting the road. Hummer EV, Silverado EV, Sierra EV, with Escalade IQ coming this quarter. Probably a Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon EV in 2026.

I’d bet since GM was part of this, they pushed hard for 400kW units so more people can get max charging from their BT1 EVs.
Two to make 400kW isn’t great to me. Maybe there’s a limitation in the connection though?

I know GM claims such high rates of charge, at least when new. To have appropriate capability they need really big batteries too, of course. So that helps.

Reality is you need to charge at rate to be practical, at least to the point that overpotential doesn’t bite the chemistry.
 
Update on this. It’s called IONNA and the first sites are under construction now. Toyota also joined up to fund these.

Thankfully they’re using the new 400kW / 800+ volt Alptronic Hypercharger 400s. Built in Wisconsin.

CCS1 and NACS cables
Plug and Charge & Autocharge standard.

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Everything else aside… I LOVE the 50’s/almost kind of Fallout vibes these give off!
 
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