Magnatec's New Formula Vs Edge?

[AllenDeacon]

This question has been on my mind for a while now.

The whole new ad campaign for Magnatec is that its new formula will cling to your engine blah blah which will help for better cold starting etc (which I desperately need) but what about Edge? Does it have the same (and or) superior "clinging" blend that Magnatec has? - This is the important question that I can't seem to find any answers to.

I'll be doing a lot of cold start / short / slow city runs in the next few months so I will need the best I can get for these conditions.

A friend who owns the same car as me said he put in Magnatec a few months back and apparently his car now sounds like an electric prius on startup/idling! (obviously not quite but you get the point.)

I have the option to get Edge F/L for only £10 more but if it will be worse off on cold starts, I'll get Magnatac instead.

My oil change is due tomorrow so all the advice I can get is appreciated!

 

[donnyj08]

Someone with more expertise will have to chime in, but im betting the "clinging" is from and anti-wear additive in the oil. It could be Moly or Titanium. I know the edge with Titanium uses moly and Titanium. the edge with Syntec uses Moly i believe. as for Magnatec i cannot say.

As for cold start starting, the word is the highest VI oil will yeild the best flow on a cold start. CATERHAM is the VI expert, Maybe he will chime in and share some expertise with you there.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Someone with more expertise will have to chime in, but im betting the "clinging" is from and anti-wear additive in the oil. It could be Moly or Titanium. I know the edge with Titanium uses moly and Titanium. the edge with Syntec uses Moly i believe. as for Magnatec i cannot say.

As for cold start starting, the word is the highest VI oil will yeild the best flow on a cold start. CATERHAM is the VI expert, Maybe he will chime in and share some expertise with you there.


Also need to consider the hths when determining how heavy or light a oil is.

 

[AllenDeacon]

Originally Posted By: volk06
Also need to consider the hths when determining how heavy or light a oil is.


Of course. I live in the U.K so I hope that the blend of oils are not actually different to the ones in the states?

The choices for tomorrows oil change is:

1) 5W30 Magnatec Fully Synthetic (most probbally A3/B4)
2) 5W40 Magnatec Fully Synthetic (most probbally A3/B4)
3) 5W30 Edge Fully Synthetic (most probbally A3/B4)
4) 5W40 Edge Fully Synthetic (most probbally A3/B4)

I was originally going to go with 5W30 Edge F/L but after reading up on Magnatec and the recommendation I got from my friend, I'm not so sure anymore. If Edge truly does carry the same blend and/or is better then Magnatec then I will go with Edge.

Thanks again!

 

[chubbs1]

They are both good oils but the Ti additives are very promising at reducing friction. The Edge FST would be my choice but both should work quite well. Don't lose sleep over this decision. Castrol is not the most "forthcoming" with their product data so it is hard to make a more scientific choice. Spend the extra few bucks on the Edge FST. I think it is a good product.

 

[Loobed]

I don't know anything about either oil, but what would it hurt to try Magnatec once. My guess is you already tried Edge since it has been available for a while and Castrol is a British company, so you must have had it over there.

I also vote for 5w30. I know you get snow over there.

 

[uart]

How do the prices compare in the UK Allen?

Castrol is pretty popular in Australia too, and the Magnatec 10W40 can usually be had for a fairly good price (for here). About $33/5L, but it's always on sale so I usually only pay about $25. Their Magnatec 5W30 on the other hand is $55/5L and seemingly never goes on sale. That has really put me off trying it. I got Edge 5W30 A3/B4 (with titanium) for the same price (on sale).

Just wondering what the comparative pricing of Egde/Magna is like in the UK.

 

[AllenDeacon]

Originally Posted By: uart
How do the prices compare in the UK Allen?

Castrol is pretty popular in Australia too, and the Magnatec 10W40 can usually be had for a fairly good price (for here). About $33/5L, but it's always on sale so I usually only pay about $25. Their Magnatec 5W30 on the other hand is $55/5L and seemingly never goes on sale. That has really put me off trying it. I got Edge 5W30 A3/B4 (with titanium) for the same price (on sale).

Just wondering what the comparative pricing of Egde/Magna is like in the UK.


Hi,

It depends where you go really. I will be having the car serviced @ £35 for 5.5 litres of oil and a no frills filter change. That is the choice of oil available at the service centre. They are all in 100 litres drums.

I'll ask which ever one has titanium in it and go with that one.

 

[AllenDeacon]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
They are both good oils but the Ti additives are very promising at reducing friction. The Edge FST would be my choice but both should work quite well. Don't lose sleep over this decision. Castrol is not the most "forthcoming" with their product data so it is hard to make a more scientific choice. Spend the extra few bucks on the Edge FST. I think it is a good product.


Hi, thanks! I'll ask if the Edge is the newer FST.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Someone with more expertise will have to chime in, but im betting the "clinging" is from and anti-wear additive in the oil. It could be Moly or Titanium. I know the edge with Titanium uses moly and Titanium. the edge with Syntec uses Moly i believe. as for Magnatec i cannot say.

As for cold start starting, the word is the highest VI oil will yeild the best flow on a cold start. CATERHAM is the VI expert, Maybe he will chime in and share some expertise with you there.


As I've stated repeatedly in th past, Castrol's UMA is an ester...heck, even Castrol tell you it's an ester, no supposition needed.

Google "Castrol UMA ester"

Cold start wear has nearly nothing to do with flow in the couple of seconds that it takes for the oil light to go out.

 

[AllenDeacon]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
As I've stated repeatedly in th past, Castrol's UMA is an ester...heck, even Castrol tell you it's an ester, no supposition needed.

Google "Castrol UMA ester"

Cold start wear has nearly nothing to do with flow in the couple of seconds that it takes for the oil light to go out.


So UMA is a good/new/exclusive thing? Thanks!

 

[bigjl]

I have noted that the specs of the C3 Magnatec and Edge (5w30 I think) are exactly the same!

Not sure if they just meet the same specs coincidentally or if there is any advantage in buying Edge, especially when you consider Magnatec is a fair bit cheaper!

 

[Trav]

Quote:
Of course. I live in the U.K so I hope that the blend of oils are not actually different to the ones in the states?


That maybe a problem. I know the Castrol products sold in Germany have nothing in common with US Castrol products except the name.
The German Castrol Edge 0w30 is a true synthetic the 5w30 is a high end GP III dino. GB has no truth in advertising law as far as oil is concerned so they use the "full synthetic" term very loosely like they do in the US.
Germany does and the oil companies are always looking for new buzz words trying to imply synthetic to dino oils.

All the Magnatec oils are a dino or dino blend.
Look here and in the descriptions look for the word VOLLSYNTHESE.
Anything else like Synthesetechnologie, synthetisches Ganzjahres-Leichtlauföl with the "Voll" omitted or nothing in the description means it is dino based.


http://www.levoil.de/epages/62903875.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62903875/Categories

 

[EddieCairns]

The UK Magnatec with the C spec as opposed to an A spec is quite new for general public availability.

I wonder if Castrol are just using Edge in these bottles of C spec Magnatec in the UK to sell an oil to C spec for people who will not pay for Edge.

I have always wondered if people like Castro and Mobil buy in oils to sell in their tubs when they have factory breakdowns.

eddie

 

[AllenDeacon]

So Edge definitely carries the same technology? 5W30 it is then.

The current oil in my car is 10W40. Would there be any problems switching to 5W30 on a car with 90,000 miles with LOADS of previous cold starts / short runs?

 

[AllenDeacon]

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[EddieCairns]

I switched to 5w 30 from 10w 40 at approx 90,000 miles on my Mazda MX5 1.8 and have now done 105,000 miles.

No problems to date and it had been a city car for the vast majority of its life. maybe 0.5 litres added between oil changes which were done at around 7,000 to 8,000 oil change intervals. Since 79,500 miles 98% of its mileage is 50 to 60 mph on long country road runs. Using Castrol Magnatec 5w 30 for Fords ( from Castrol UK )which is the ACEA A1, APl SL grade which is towards the low friction mix as opposed to the better shear specs.

eddie

 

[SXE10]

Which Magnatec 5w30 are you looking at using, A1 or A3/B4? Have you looked at the PDS yet to see what the difference is?
A1 PDS
A3/B4 PDS
EDGE FTS PDS
I can't see where you've said what the vehicle is & what engine is in it?
If it was me I'd go with the Edge, 2nd choice would be the Magnatec A3/B4. 10w-40 is unnecessarily thick IMO.
Don't be scared into thinking higher mileage needs a heavier oil. 90K is hardly anything on a modern engine. I run 5w30 in both my vehicles & they love it, one has done 105K & the other 85K.