Not "wound up".
Just another EV discussion where the entirety of the details get distorted by poeple with little to no actual experience.
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Not "wound up".
Just another EV discussion where the entirety of the details get distorted by poeple with little to no actual experience.
You also have to realize your experience in CA is not going to be other people's experience in other parts of the country with vastly different climates and lifestyles.
I have friends and travel all over the world. I get to experience all kinds of vehicles in all kinds of countries.
Chargers vary all over, but most people in the US live in houses, the ratio used to be 80/20.
These vehicles take a hit in the cold. That completely different from saying " they dont work at X".
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I live in a trailer park and there are a number of folks who own Leafs, Bolts, etc…and have Level 2 chargers installed.
Affordable vehicles that work well for them.
100%. Range for me so far hasn't been decimated in 0 degrees, but it is noticeable. It's not like it's going from 250+ miles down to 50 or something crazy like that.
Well first, apartment dwellers don't regularly own boats.
But sometimes condo dwellers do, and they park their boats and trailers at distant locations - parents house, relatives, or the rent large covered bays in storage unit lots. I've seen them. I think it's silly but that's the reality.
So you think a apartment/condo dweller should park his EV in a distant location to charge it. Sounds convenient. Not.
The reality is a minority of people own houses with garages. And having a house with garage is almost a necessity for EV ownership. At least until massive infrastructure is built to charge EVs otherwise.
I agree apartment dwellers dont regularly own boats.
I used to have a condo and I owned a boat I kept in storage - I had a tiny garage with 110 power which would have been sufficient for some degree of EV charging.
I didnt bring trucks and boats into an SUV/car thread.
I never said
Do you have any 3rd party stats to back that claim?
The last data I saw on apartment dwelling was this - it goes back to 2015 bit at that tine it was 12% of Americans live in apartments.
Do you live in a house with a garage? Id bet most bitoggers do, in the case of EV threads people with garages always bring up apartments with no charging.
I disagree it's a necessity, but I would say the EV loses much appeal.
https://www.nmhc.org/news/nmhc-news/2017/new-data-highlights-importance-of-apartment-industry/
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Joe Rogan blasting the realities of Congolese cobalt mining labor camps to 30m+ probably won’t help.
Average seems to be between 20 and 30% with a cold battery.
https://insideevs.com/news/650501/tesla-model-s-aces-winter-range-test-in-norway-beats-28-other-evs/
Good lord this whole thread like most of the EV threads is like an old ladies fight club. LOLIf it's a big deal to them and they want an EV they can get a car without cobalt in the battery.
It's amusing how the people that bring this up forget about all the other rare earths they use sourced the same way.
So it’s cool then?
I don't think anyone ever said they don't work in the cold and I could care less about where people live (house, apartment, box)?
I'm not willing to take the "hit" that you talk about for my own safety and convenience. Infrastructure for EV's is not there yet here.
What? Child labor- no. If I were buying an EV Id buy without cobalt.
In my work I need to prove sourcing back to the mine and work hard to avoid this.
How come you arent worried about all the material sourced with child labor?
Platinum palladium the list is quite long.
And it won't be here for another 25-30 years depending where in the US you live.
"I also read about EVs not taking a charge when it was really cold (-20F)."
You said this correct?
I'm not convinced you understand how these work or what the hit would be based on that statement.
The infrastructure may not be there for you- but you arent capable of determining that for anyone else.
Was I wrong that there are charging issues where EV's would not charge at very cold temps?
The "hit" for me would be vastly reduced range, lack of charging stations, and safety. You could die in the winter here if your vehicle leaves you stranded. This could be said for many rural areas of the midwest. What am I missing?
I was only ever speaking for myself. Apparently you are capable of speaking for everyone though?
That's exactly it too. I highly recommend conditioning the battery on power when possible which I usually can do and then it's negligible. If it's just to temperature it doesn't spend forever trying to warm when moving in cold weather. I'll set it for the time I plan to leave and it'll warm up the battery and the cabin while still on the charger. This can't always be done, but even when not plugged in it is best to pre condition under around 30 degrees.
Any car can leave you stranded. If you have 50 miles to go and based on current consumption it's likely you won't make it, it's smart to stop and take proper precautions. This is no different than a gas car. If stupid decisions are made, it can't be a surprise when stupid results arrive.
Today the Feds updated their guidance on the EV credit. This an go a long way towards price drops.
Per the WSJ
"For instance, to qualify now, EVs must be assembled in North America, and the manufacturer’s suggested retail price cannot exceed a certain amount. For SUVs, trucks and pickups, the cap is $80,000; for all other vehicles, it is $55,000.
To determine what vehicles are eligible, the Treasury Department initially said it would rely on corporate average fuel economy standards set by the Environmental Protection Agency, which defined some versions of crossovers like Tesla’s Model Y and Ford’s Mach-E as sedans.
Auto makers and lobby groups pushed back, saying that definition was inconsistent with how other federal agencies classified SUVs and cars.
Now, classifications will be based on the vehicle label and what is published about models on FuelEconomy.com, the Treasury Department said. "
Per the WSJ
"For instance, to qualify now, EVs must be assembled in North America, and the manufacturer’s suggested retail price cannot exceed a certain amount. For SUVs, trucks and pickups, the cap is $80,000; for all other vehicles, it is $55,000.
To determine what vehicles are eligible, the Treasury Department initially said it would rely on corporate average fuel economy standards set by the Environmental Protection Agency, which defined some versions of crossovers like Tesla’s Model Y and Ford’s Mach-E as sedans.
Auto makers and lobby groups pushed back, saying that definition was inconsistent with how other federal agencies classified SUVs and cars.
Now, classifications will be based on the vehicle label and what is published about models on FuelEconomy.com, the Treasury Department said. "
