M1 or PP - Which meets tougher 5W30 standards ?
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When you look at the PDS of each, let us know.
Have used Mobil Super 5w30 FE for years in my Volvo and Mondeo
Don't know anything about Pennzoil products which i assume is what PP stands for
Don't know anything about Pennzoil products which i assume is what PP stands for
I believe only M1 5w30 actually claims the A5/B5 these days, and the PP does not. But, SOPUS keeps playing with data sheets, so it's hard to say.
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Of these two synthetics (M1 or PP)- which one meets the over all tougher specs for 5W30 oil ? Is it A5/B5 ?
So far no one has answered your question, so I will attempt to do so:
"It depends." Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum meet *different* specs based upon their viscosity. For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
But then maybe your car doesn't work with xW-40 oils and you need something thinner? I use 5w-20 (or 5w30) because it has stronger manufacturer specs on the label than 0w-20 (or 0w-30). That's why it's called M1 extended performance.
Bottom Line:
The best thing to do is look at the specs yourself. VW 507, VW 506, Dexos 2, MB___ are all very difficult specifications to pass, and if the M1 or PP lists them on their website, you know you have an outstanding oil.
Of these two synthetics (M1 or PP)- which one meets the over all tougher specs for 5W30 oil ? Is it A5/B5 ?
So far no one has answered your question, so I will attempt to do so:
"It depends." Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum meet *different* specs based upon their viscosity. For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
But then maybe your car doesn't work with xW-40 oils and you need something thinner? I use 5w-20 (or 5w30) because it has stronger manufacturer specs on the label than 0w-20 (or 0w-30). That's why it's called M1 extended performance.
Bottom Line:
The best thing to do is look at the specs yourself. VW 507, VW 506, Dexos 2, MB___ are all very difficult specifications to pass, and if the M1 or PP lists them on their website, you know you have an outstanding oil.
Originally Posted By: Garak
I believe only M1 5w30 actually claims the A5/B5 these days, and the PP does not. But, SOPUS keeps playing with data sheets, so it's hard to say.
Edge (both) claim the A5/B5 specs. At least the new "new" formula does anyway
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M1 and PP both have similar qualities as far low NOACK, good cold performance. They meet HT0-6, dexos1. M1 is just going to be a thicker 30grade at 100C/212F than PP (or most SOPUS US "syn" PCMO's for that matter).
I believe only M1 5w30 actually claims the A5/B5 these days, and the PP does not. But, SOPUS keeps playing with data sheets, so it's hard to say.
Edge (both) claim the A5/B5 specs. At least the new "new" formula does anyway
M1 and PP both have similar qualities as far low NOACK, good cold performance. They meet HT0-6, dexos1. M1 is just going to be a thicker 30grade at 100C/212F than PP (or most SOPUS US "syn" PCMO's for that matter).
Originally Posted By: Garak
I believe only M1 5w30 actually claims the A5/B5 these days, and the PP does not. But, SOPUS keeps playing with data sheets, so it's hard to say.
Exactly ! That is why I pose the question as SOPUS specs are like a shell (no pun intended) game . I like PP but want to give M1 fair consideration if the A5/B5 spec is a significant difference maker .
I believe only M1 5w30 actually claims the A5/B5 these days, and the PP does not. But, SOPUS keeps playing with data sheets, so it's hard to say.
Exactly ! That is why I pose the question as SOPUS specs are like a shell (no pun intended) game . I like PP but want to give M1 fair consideration if the A5/B5 spec is a significant difference maker .
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Of these two synthetics (M1 or PP)- which one meets the over all tougher specs for 5W30 oil ? Is it A5/B5 ?
So far no one has answered your question, so I will attempt to do so:
"It depends." Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum meet *different* specs based upon their viscosity. For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40
Didn't he ask about the 5w30 grade specifically?
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Of these two synthetics (M1 or PP)- which one meets the over all tougher specs for 5W30 oil ? Is it A5/B5 ?
So far no one has answered your question, so I will attempt to do so:
"It depends." Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum meet *different* specs based upon their viscosity. For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40
Didn't he ask about the 5w30 grade specifically?
Ooops missed that.
In that case Mobil 1 ESP passes more stringent specs than PP. (NOTE: Pennzoil Ultimate Euro-L ties the Mobil 1.)
In that case Mobil 1 ESP passes more stringent specs than PP. (NOTE: Pennzoil Ultimate Euro-L ties the Mobil 1.)
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Mobil 1 is better. LOL.
tastes great.... no.... less filling! similar debate.
buy whichever one is on sale
tastes great.... no.... less filling! similar debate.
buy whichever one is on sale
It doesn't really make a difference which one you use, they're both great
Originally Posted By: blackman777
For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
Are you talking M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 or M1 Turbodiesel Truck (i.e. TDT)? They're not the same product, and I don't even know if the former is available in North America. The latter is the poor cousin (with fewer certs) to Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40.
For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
Are you talking M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 or M1 Turbodiesel Truck (i.e. TDT)? They're not the same product, and I don't even know if the former is available in North America. The latter is the poor cousin (with fewer certs) to Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40.
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Exactly ! That is why I pose the question as SOPUS specs are like a shell (no pun intended) game . I like PP but want to give M1 fair consideration if the A5/B5 spec is a significant difference maker.
Yes, we went through that in another thread, too, with respect to a Korean make. It appears that QSUD 5w30 claims A5/B5, but one never seems to know for sure.
And I don't get that. XOM has no problems keeping the A5/B5 where it belongs. Castrol does the same thing. Yet, SOPUS hides it and switches it and puts it on PU that is difficult to buy.
Exactly ! That is why I pose the question as SOPUS specs are like a shell (no pun intended) game . I like PP but want to give M1 fair consideration if the A5/B5 spec is a significant difference maker.
Yes, we went through that in another thread, too, with respect to a Korean make. It appears that QSUD 5w30 claims A5/B5, but one never seems to know for sure.
And I don't get that. XOM has no problems keeping the A5/B5 where it belongs. Castrol does the same thing. Yet, SOPUS hides it and switches it and puts it on PU that is difficult to buy.
A1/B1 has a minimum HTHS of 2.6 (for 20 grades) and a spread of 2.9 to 3.5 for other grades. A5/B5 is only 2.9 to 3.5. A5/B5 is considered the "high performance" specification between those two. There aren't huge differences between the two sets of specifications, but you can look them over here. "A" refers to the gasoline side of things and the "B" to the light duty diesel side of things, if I recall correctly.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: blackman777
For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
Are you talking M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 or M1 Turbodiesel Truck (i.e. TDT)? They're not the same product
I was talking about the same product, but too lazy to type turbodiesel truck, so I abbreviated it. (Also why "truck"? The stuff also works in diesel cars.)
Originally Posted By: blackman777
For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
Are you talking M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 or M1 Turbodiesel Truck (i.e. TDT)? They're not the same product
I was talking about the same product, but too lazy to type turbodiesel truck, so I abbreviated it. (Also why "truck"? The stuff also works in diesel cars.)
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: blackman777
For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
Are you talking M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 or M1 Turbodiesel Truck (i.e. TDT)? They're not the same product, and I don't even know if the former is available in North America. The latter is the poor cousin (with fewer certs) to Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40.
I wouldn't call it the poor cousin, it's just a full-SAPS oil for engines without particulate filters, while ESP is low-SAPS for DPF engines. The difference in certs mostly reflects the updating and proliferating of OEM specs since the introduction of DPF in ~2007, I'm not sure in this case it indicates that TDT is inferior in any way except emission system protection.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
For example M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 meets far more stringent manufacturer specs than the regular Mobil 1, so I'd recommend choosing the M1 T over any other oil.
Are you talking M1 Turbodiesel 5w-40 or M1 Turbodiesel Truck (i.e. TDT)? They're not the same product, and I don't even know if the former is available in North America. The latter is the poor cousin (with fewer certs) to Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40.
I wouldn't call it the poor cousin, it's just a full-SAPS oil for engines without particulate filters, while ESP is low-SAPS for DPF engines. The difference in certs mostly reflects the updating and proliferating of OEM specs since the introduction of DPF in ~2007, I'm not sure in this case it indicates that TDT is inferior in any way except emission system protection.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
I was talking about the same product, but too lazy to type turbodiesel truck, so I abbreviated it. (Also why "truck"? The stuff also works in diesel cars.)
Well, the word "truck" is in the trade name, that's all, and there is a European product with a very similar name that's quite a different product, so it's a key difference.
Originally Posted By: gpshumway
I wouldn't call it the poor cousin, it's just a full-SAPS oil for engines without particulate filters, while ESP is low-SAPS for DPF engines.
That's not correct. TDT has SA of 0.95%, whereas Delvac 1 ESP is 1.0%. They're both CJ-4 products; the Delvac merely lists more ACEA and OEM specifications. That's what I mean by poor cousin. They diverged somewhat with the switch to CJ-4, but not to the point that they are designed for totally different applications. Target market is slightly different.
Ironically Delvac 1 ESP is roughly half the price of TDT up here, since TDT isn't available at distributors here and only at the retail level, whereas Delvac 1 is generally sold at the distributor level.
I was talking about the same product, but too lazy to type turbodiesel truck, so I abbreviated it. (Also why "truck"? The stuff also works in diesel cars.)
Well, the word "truck" is in the trade name, that's all, and there is a European product with a very similar name that's quite a different product, so it's a key difference.
Originally Posted By: gpshumway
I wouldn't call it the poor cousin, it's just a full-SAPS oil for engines without particulate filters, while ESP is low-SAPS for DPF engines.
That's not correct. TDT has SA of 0.95%, whereas Delvac 1 ESP is 1.0%. They're both CJ-4 products; the Delvac merely lists more ACEA and OEM specifications. That's what I mean by poor cousin. They diverged somewhat with the switch to CJ-4, but not to the point that they are designed for totally different applications. Target market is slightly different.
Ironically Delvac 1 ESP is roughly half the price of TDT up here, since TDT isn't available at distributors here and only at the retail level, whereas Delvac 1 is generally sold at the distributor level.
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