M1 ESP 0W-30 vs M1 Euro/FS 0W-40

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Hey everyone,


I wanted to start a thread comparing Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 and Mobil 1 Euro/FS 0W-40, not tied to any specific vehicle, but more from a general performance and durability standpoint.


From what I understand, M1 ESP 0W-30 has a relatively high HTHS for its grade and is known to be shear-stable, so it’s not necessarily “too thin” like some might assume. On the other hand, M1 0W-40 is very popular, especially among those who track their cars or drive more aggressively.


I’m trying to decide between the two. I realize “better” or “more stout” is subjective—especially for someone like me who sticks to 5k mile oil change intervals. Both are great oils—but is there a simple way to differentiate their ideal use cases?


For example:


  • If you’re tracking or racing, go with 0W-40 for the added HTHS cushion?
  • If you're not pushing the car to that extreme, is ESP 0W-30 more than enough?

Also, there’s a huge group of enthusiasts who drive their cars hard on the street (spirited driving, highway pulls, etc.) but don’t actually take them to the track. Would the HTHS of ESP 0W-30 still be considered more than adequate for that kind of use?


That said, I don’t think ESP 0W-30 is incapable of handling track duty either—it seems to be a strong, well-formulated oil. Just curious how others make the call between these two.
 
They are somewhat interchangeable, but one targets modern mid SAPS standards and one targets A3/B4 full SAPS requirements. The best choice depends on what your engine and use cases are. The real natural comparison is ESP X4 and FS 0W-40, btw.
Thank you, I really appreciate the information. The reason I didn’t mention the engine or use case is because I know a lot of people—myself included—are using these European-spec oils in vehicles that technically don’t require those approvals. Most American vehicles don’t need them, of course, but we still choose to run these oils for their quality and performance benefits.
 
how can you consider the 2 oils in general.. it all depends on the application.
both are good oils. 🍿 🍿 :whistle:🍿🍿
Thank you for the insight! When you mention "application," are you referring to the specific vehicle details?


I’m trying to better understand if a product like ESP 0W-30 would be sufficient for my needs. I drive somewhat aggressively on the street, but I don’t track the car, and my oil temperatures generally stay below 200°F.


In this context, is there a real benefit to stepping up to a 0W-40? I'm wondering if the higher HTHS or heavier viscosity is truly necessary, or if that's more relevant for high-performance or track-oriented vehicles.
 
Honestly oil temps below 200 ESP 0W20 would be fine. You certainly don’t need a 40 grade. ESP 0w30 is all I use in 7 vehicles I own and maintain. Ranges from domestic, euro, and asian vehicles.
 
C'mon not even an ounce of discussion?
It's kinda arbitrary. Might as well compare full saps vs low saps in general, or 0w30 vs 0w40. Which are both topics that have been beaten to death many, many times. You won't get any useful discussion without describing the application at hand.

If you are worried about the ESP, keep in mind VW 504 has been the spec oil for the factory VW racecars since 2016, running 310-350bhp on a 2.0L with a race cat and DI + PFI. If your car calls for a 30 grade, it's a top tier choice.

Also, if your oil temps stay below 200F you don't drive aggressively. Frankly it's difficult to really abuse a street car. Off-road, rally, circuit, drift, etc. sure. But not flooring it on the highway for a few seconds here and there.
 
What if you can occasionally see 230°F oil temps off-roading a DI 2.0 Turbo? 5w-30 is the recommended multi grade. Seems the most common mechanical issue is timing chain tensioners and timing chains if there is a problem.
 
What if you can occasionally see 230°F oil temps off-roading a DI 2.0 Turbo? 5w-30 is the recommended multi grade. Seems the most common mechanical issue is timing chain tensioners and timing chains if there is a problem.
230F is nothing for a euro 5w30.
 
I’m new to understanding the SAPS content. Will SAPS low-high be a factor one might consider is trying to stave off DI intake valve deposits? Is high worse for deposits?

Thanks
 
I’m new to understanding the SAPS content. Will SAPS low-high be a factor one might consider is trying to stave off DI intake valve deposits? Is high worse for deposits?

Thanks
No, valve deposits are related to base oil selection, particularly volatility. Low SAPS is for GPF/OPF compatibility.
 
A Lubrizol study mentioned on BITOG said SAPS content does significantly contribute to IVD. I have not read the study, but would like to if it is free. If someone has a link to it, please share it.
 
A Lubrizol study mentioned on BITOG said SAPS content does significantly contribute to IVD. I have not read the study, but would like to if it is free. If someone has a link to it, please share it.
That paper seems to only exist in forum references. It is not clear which oils were compared, except that it was only two different oils. Unless SAPS levels were the only difference

Re: volatility, this is from this survey paper:

https://inig.pl/magazyn/nafta-gaz/NAFTA-GAZ-2014-04-04.pdf

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Or there's everyone's favorite oil salesman:



I doubt DI40 is low SAPS.
 
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