M1 EP oci

[walk23]

The point of extended oil changes were to be a cost effective way to protect engines that required large usage of oil. That is the sole purpose where UOA's came into play to confirm that there was added life in the oil. There is no doubt that oils of today are many times superior than than those of yesteryear and is seen in the manufacturers increased required intervals. Scientific data. Motorist like yourself are trying to extrapolate without doing the research. A better way may be just to change the filter halfway in between and confirm that your oils life can take more usage.
Keep us posted as to how your luck runs.

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
I change my 5-20 M1 EP every 6 months which is 4500-5000 miles.


IMHO.....a complete waste of time...money..... and a waste of a good oil.

If there was some way some of us could get that drained oil from you....we could put in in our vehicles and run it another 5K to 7K easily.

M-1 EP is designed for LONG OCI's. If your changing every 4500 to 5000....just use a conventional like PYB or Valvoline.

 

[FZ1]

No,your mistake is applying general conclusions to specific situations. Ocis are unique to the Driver,the Drivetrain,the Driving route,the Driving conditions,etc.,etc.,etc. If I had an Accord 2.4,driven very easily on the highway,you might have a point......but.....I have a 3.0 V6 with a lot of short trips and some towing in Texas heat. I'm a big picture guy.I'm not concerned about getting the last $2 out of my oil;I am concerned about getting the last $22,000 out of my car. Synthetic oils can get better mpg than conventional oils so,really,it doesn't cost me more to run the syn in my car.

 

[steve20]

let's cut thru all the B. S.
10K oil and filter change interval with what you are using, as long as it remains 90% highway.
End of story

 

[FZ1]

Well,what does the Owner's manual say for severe service? That's a logical starting point for oci options,don't you think?

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: steve20
let's cut thru all the B. S.
10K oil and filter change interval with what you are using, as long as it remains 90% highway.
End of story

+1....fully agree.

But....its your money and time. If you want to waste it and throw away good resources....its your choice.

Possibly a good option would be....that after you drain that hardly used M1 EP,.... see if you can find someone who is unemployed or on welfare, or experiencing financial issues....and use that oil to help maintain their vehicle. This way that good oil will get full use.... and you'll be helping someone at the same time.

 

[Artem]

Hmmmm.... I wonder where all this "oil recycling" advice is coming from

Haha.

As much as driving style and conditions matter, dumping an oil rated for 15k @ 1/3 the interval does seem like a waste of; all of the above.

 

[FZ1]

I see. You can't address my point,so you try to spin my point into a moralistic argument. Nice try.Lol.

 

[FZ1]

Originally Posted By: Artem
Hmmmm.... I wonder where all this "oil recycling" advice is coming from

Haha.

As much as driving style and conditions matter, dumping an oil rated for 15k @ 1/3 the interval does seem like a waste of; all of the above.
Well,Hoss. Look at your own Footer. All of your oil and filter combos are more expensive,than mine, and you don't run any of them 15,000! Lol.

 

[lexus114]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Artem
Hmmmm.... I wonder where all this "oil recycling" advice is coming from

Haha.

As much as driving style and conditions matter, dumping an oil rated for 15k @ 1/3 the interval does seem like a waste of; all of the above.
Well,Hoss. Look at your own Footer. All of your oil and filter combos are more expensive,than mine, and you don't run any of them 15,000! Lol.



Easy FZ1, It must be a full moon tonight or something, cause people are wound tight on here today.

 

[ericthepig]

So this thread opens up w/ several posters saying "filter X won't make it 15k", but do not qualify their statements.

Mobil 1 (which has skin in the game with their guarantees, their reputation, and with the engineers job on the line) says use "any filter" for the FULL 15k / 1 yr. Mobil 1 has been touting that guarantee for many years now and haven't retracted one dot or comma.

Not to mention the fact they say the oil will make it as well.

What to make of this?

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Artem
Hmmmm.... I wonder where all this "oil recycling" advice is coming from

Haha.

As much as driving style and conditions matter, dumping an oil rated for 15k @ 1/3 the interval does seem like a waste of; all of the above.
Well,Hoss. Look at your own Footer. All of your oil and filter combos are more expensive,than mine, and you don't run any of them 15,000! Lol.


Originally Posted By: lexus114
Easy FZ1, It must be a full moon tonight or something, cause people are wound tight on here today.

Yea take a chill pill FZ1. I was just referring to my "recycled oil experiment" where i reuse the oil outta my Si into other cars and run it further (reusing the Expesive oil filters as well), as people are suggesting in here

Nothing i said was meant towards you dude.

Besides, i'm extending my OCIs as per the UOA in my other Civic, currently doing 10k OCIs and going up to 12.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: ericthepig
So this thread opens up w/ several posters saying "filter X won't make it 15k", but do not qualify their statements.

Mobil 1 (which has skin in the game with their guarantees, their reputation, and with the engineers job on the line) says use "any filter" for the FULL 15k / 1 yr. Mobil 1 has been touting that guarantee for many years now and haven't retracted one dot or comma.

Not to mention the fact they say the oil will make it as well.

What to make of this?


Its still not smart to blindly run the oil to 15k without a proper UOA or two on the way, just to make sure everything is holding up like it should.

There are a bunch of reports where M1 EP was down on TBN after "only" 5-6k.

 

[FZ1]

Lol. Wanning Full Moon. I'm a bass fisherman. No,no,I'm not getting exercised. Just making my valid,I think,point that ocis are unique and one size does not fit all.

 

[Artem]

I fully agree with you but i still feel with today's oils and cleaner running engines, 10k with a high quality oil like M1 EP is do-able for pretty much anybody (those that can sleep easy at night while doing it, that is)

 

[ericthepig]

Originally Posted By: Artem
There are a bunch of reports where M1 EP was down on TBN after "only" 5-6k.


I need to go take a look at some M1 EP UOAs. I did that once for SuperTech UOAs - looked perhaps at a couple of years worth - gives a feel for the oil's performance.

Anyway, "down on TBN" is full of wiggle room. It's known that TBNs (typically) fall off a cliff in the early stages of a UOA and then can maintain values in the 2 to 3 level for long hard durations. But you may be referring to some that were <=1.0

 

[tig1]

A friend does 15K with 5-30EP in his 03 Windstar 3.8. His engine has 140K, is very clean, runs and sounds like new, the oil looks fine as it has that dark amber colar, and the filters , when cut apart, have no visable grit or sludge in them.

PS. never did a UOA as he says "what is that and ain't payin that much for it".

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
I see. You can't address my point,so you try to spin my point into a moralistic argument. Nice try.Lol.


IMO....I think our country and world would be a better place.....if we would consider what the 'moral' issues involved in many of our decisions (i.e. Weinergate).

 

[ericthepig]

Originally Posted By: tig1
A friend does 15K with 5-30EP in his 03 Windstar 3.8. His engine has 140K, is very clean, runs and sounds like new, the oil looks fine as it has that dark amber colar, and the filters , when cut apart, have no visable grit or sludge in them.


Do you know what the sump capacity is for the Windstar? And how long does it take him to reach 15k? If he's still just at dark amber at 15k, that's pretty good.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: ericthepig
Originally Posted By: tig1
A friend does 15K with 5-30EP in his 03 Windstar 3.8. His engine has 140K, is very clean, runs and sounds like new, the oil looks fine as it has that dark amber colar, and the filters , when cut apart, have no visable grit or sludge in them.


Do you know what the sump capacity is for the Windstar? And how long does it take him to reach 15k? If he's still just at dark amber at 15k, that's pretty good.


I usually change his oil as we trade hours with each other. 5 qt. sump. His time varies from 8-10 months. Two months ago we had to remove the upper and lower intakes for gasket failure. Oil started leaking into the intake valves and suddenly started smoking very bad. We were amazed as to how clean the engine was after nearly 140K. 15K OCIs with this engine works very well.