I don't disagree with you here and maybe a re-do of that one or using it again would yield different results but when looked at in the context of all of my data, it wasn't great.
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I have done a lot of UOAs even some just after a few '00 miles and seen the impacts of that shearing...jives with what they talked about in the video. I take it your handle is based on the famed Ruger firearm? I've shot one but not the 454 round, 45 colt.
Normally anyone who wants to run the premium stuff has to pay shipping and even an average oil at Walmart is good for 5,000 miles.
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Yep. I never came across a Ruger Redhawk .454 thy at I didn’t like.. I Love the look of the River super RedHawks
Yep. Also, Pennzoil/QS 5W-40.
The Euro Certifications maybe, the Certifications here, I have my doubts. I can see why some are going to Boutique Oil's.
Would be Euro since nothing made here specs HTHS that high.
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You’re the one who specified 3k OCI… even at 5k OCIs the financials are still in favor of HPL @ 15k. And on top of that the HPL could easily go 20k, I just got bored not being under the truck and using my Stahlbus valve
I may run the SuperCar 20k miles depending on when that falls on the calendar. @High Performance Lubricants says this is their best oil and based on the performance of their PCEO and No VII I have no doubts or concerns doing so. To me it makes way more sense than making 3-5 trips under the truck when the same results can be achieved with a single time.
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In general, a slight shift in vis is nothing to worry about at all. We've seen a lot of evidence that wear trends are not affected by a grade shift.
The only time a loss of vis is a concern is if the oil is already at the MOFT tolerable limit; then it would matter.
That's not to say that lubes which retain their vis for longer periods is a bad thing.
But unless it's an extreme situation (very high bearing loads such as racing, or lubes already too thin for the application), it's just a YT video that causes people to panic over nothing.
The only time a loss of vis is a concern is if the oil is already at the MOFT tolerable limit; then it would matter.
That's not to say that lubes which retain their vis for longer periods is a bad thing.
But unless it's an extreme situation (very high bearing loads such as racing, or lubes already too thin for the application), it's just a YT video that causes people to panic over nothing.
How does hpl counter fuel dilution?You’re the one who specified 3k OCI… even at 5k OCIs the financials are still in favor of HPL @ 15k. And on top of that the HPL could easily go 20k, I just got bored not being under the truck and using my Stahlbus valve
I may run the SuperCar 20k miles depending on when that falls on the calendar. @High Performance Lubricants says this is their best oil and based on the performance of their PCEO and No VII I have no doubts or concerns doing so. To me it makes way more sense than making 3-5 trips under the truck when the same results can be achieved with a single time.
For my wife's gd gdi car I buy the cheaper oil and change it between 3,500 and 4,500 during the winter. I sure would hate that to be $80 worth of oil.
Then the summer oic is largely a function of when winter hits.
In theory the longest I could run any oil is 9,000 to 10,000 miles before winter time fuel dilution takes it out.
Wonder how many will lose sleep over the "silent engine killer"
Us narrow spread fans are still waiting for a narrow spread oil to be tested, like a 15W40. The traditional backbone of the heavy truck industry. A PAO based 10W30 would be nice to see too.
Shared sump motorcycles are also shear monsters, and I recall years ago it was noticed in the motorcycle UOA threads that mineral Rotella 15W40 sheared a lot less than synthetic Rotella 5W40. Much to the chagrin of the synthetic base oil fanbois. So a synthetic 5W40 losing viscosity is nothing new. The standard commercial motorcycle oils tend to be full synthetic or semisynthetic 10W40's or 20W50's, probably for a good reason.
Having said all that, I realise that many people are limited in their choices if they live in a cold climate, and need to go for a wider spread. It's just that their cold climate starting limitations have become my warm climate commercial limitations. I would dearly like to see a Dexos1-G3 10W30 or a MB 229.5 & Porsche A40 10W40, but that will never happen, because of economics not because of engineering.
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Not this guy. Price difference over a decent OTS oil will buy plenty of good cigars and bourbon.
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I'd like to see a generic 15W-40 tested as well actually, I don't think it will fare as well as some might think.
Neither of those are bike oils though
Yes, because they aren't run in the winter. Same reason 0W-40's are spec'd for snowmobiles and many ATV's, which are operated in the winter, and often have the same or similar engines in them.
And there is no reason if the 0W-40 does the job; if the 0W-40 can meet the performance requirements of those specifications.
They always do. You get what you pay for and it shows. Just because some of these oils meet a40, GM4718, etc doesn't mean anything. This reinforces that the couple extra dollars to get a better oil was cheaper than cheapin out and having premature engine wear and probably having to spend thousands in repairs. Makes me feel better knowing my Redline 5w30 and it's 3.7 hths runs circles around the commodity based products they sell at Walmart.
Yes it would be interesting. In the motorcycle forum here, they fared better than some thought.
No, but it's a great shear test to run them in a motorcycle with a shared sump. Which is what this thread is about, oil shear. Sure not a controlled laboratory, but it's the best that most of us can do, and it was clearly reproducible in the motorcycle UOA threads.Neither of those are bike oils though
I run them in winter ! (Grumble.....mumble....cold climate elites.......<joke>)
Yes, but a 10W40, built the same way (same base oil groups, same VII type) should do the job better, and by better I mean less shear and lower Noack. Hence the HPL no VII oils.
You just an oil (insert derogatory term for hussy that starts with wh here)
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Well, hopefully he reads this and we get to see round 2 with some of the suggestions made in this thread
But if the wear and deposit performance at the end of the day (look at the change in HTHS for the M1 0W-40) isn't any better, what is there to gain?
Don't get me wrong, I think less shear is better, but that's only to a point, as the closer you get to none, it's diminishing returns, and the 0W-40 really didn't shear all that much, which is even more impressive when you consider the price point and availability.As an aside: The Ravenol SSL 0W-40 meets A40, 229.5...etc. It ended up at 12.0cSt in my 6.4L. The HPL Super Car ended up at 13.2cSt, same target additive package, both use PAO, and the Ravenol wasn't cheap. Obviously I prefer the 13.2cSt outcome, but that's also with a 0W-40, so what advantages should I expect from a 5W-40 or 10W-40 if it's not consuming the 0W-40 and it's showing so little shear?
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