LSJr Interviews Containing Oil Filter Efficiency

rstcso said:
Since getting the Pilot, I noticed the MM alternates between A service (oil only) and B service (oil + filter + inspection of brakes and other stuff, technically speaking). Research on Honda's MM system indicates it may suggest an oil filter change each time, depending on driving variables during that oil change cycle.

I'm going to continue taking my chances, changing the oil filter each OCI. I'm a rebel. 😒
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Start cutting them open.
On neglected sludgy engines they get a new filter every time.
On well kept engines I'd cut them open and find nothing to almost nothing.
On engines that I consistently found almost nothing in the oil filter, I then started doing it every other OCI.
 
oil pan 4 said:
Start cutting them open.
On neglected sludgy engines they get a new filter every time.
On well kept engines I'd cut them open and find nothing to almost nothing.
On engines that I consistently found almost nothing in the oil filter, I then started doing it every other OCI.
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Whoa-Whoa-Whoa! This borders on, dare I say, common sense. When did that become a thing again???
 
oil pan 4 said:
Start cutting them open.
On neglected sludgy engines they get a new filter every time.
On well kept engines I'd cut them open and find nothing to almost nothing.
On engines that I consistently found almost nothing in the oil filter, I then started doing it every other OCI.
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For me, it's not always about the filter's ability to go through another OCI.
I've seen defective oil filters, and I've seen pictures of defective filters on here.
I cannot see what's going on inside that new oil filter that I'm using, so I would rather pay the low price for an oil filter and change it every OCI. The cost of one oil filter every 5-6k miles/6 months is worth removing that possibility from the equation.
 
rstcso said:
So now we're

Checked out the video and they begin to discuss leaving Total Seal at ~2:40. Lake said SD was growing to the point he had to quit it, or Total Seal, and SD was a family business with his wife, son, and daughter, so quit TS about a year and a half ago.
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Yes that’s the part. “Growth of Motor oil Geek lead to the growth of SD”. He’s now concentrating on the channel and SD. I’d imagine this was by design.

As informed consumers this is something we have to keep in mind. Which isn’t a problem for me as I call out the good as well as the bad. Being neutral has always been essential for me, keeping emotion out of my oil and filter recommendations.
 
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rstcso said:
Since getting the Pilot, I noticed the MM alternates between A service (oil only) and B service (oil + filter + inspection of brakes and other stuff, technically speaking). Research on Honda's MM system indicates it may suggest an oil filter change each time, depending on driving variables during that oil change cycle.

I'm going to continue taking my chances, changing the oil filter each OCI. I'm a rebel. 😒
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Yes, Honda has recommended that & with their low wearing engines it just makes sense.
 
fantastic said:
Yes, Honda has recommended that & with their low wearing engines it just makes sense.
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And the Honda OEM filters are pretty low efficiency, so if the engine is dirty and loads the filter more than a cleaner engine, it will take more miles to get the dP closer to the bypass valve setting because it sheds more than a high efficiency filter. Not all debris in the oil is from just wear metals.
 
ZeeOSix said:
And the Honda OEM filters are pretty low efficiency, so if the engine is dirty and loads the filter more than a cleaner engine, it will take more miles to get the dP closer to the bypass valve setting because it sheds more than a high efficiency filter. Not all debris in the oil is from just wear metals.
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Honda & Toyota=Any Filter 10k min... 🤣

My Diesel... 5k black... Not going over 10k even with a 15 quart sump...ha!

I do wish there was a way to detect when oil additives were depleted.. Somewhat like what Boron does (gets reduced during use).
 
ZeeOSix said:
And the Honda OEM filters are pretty low efficiency, so if the engine is dirty and loads the filter more than a cleaner engine, it will take more miles to get the dP closer to the bypass valve setting because it sheds more than a high efficiency filter. Not all debris in the oil is from just wear metals.
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I’d say any wear metal that’s trapped by the filter is minor yes. And after break-in would be alarming.
 
kschachn said:
I’d say any wear metal that’s trapped by the filter is minor yes. And after break-in would be alarming.
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LSJr's claim that oil filters get more efficient because the super small iron particles are trapped in the filter from attraction forces going on in the oil filter would seem like that would skew Fe wear metals UOA data, based on how long the filter was ran. If he left the filter on and ran another OCI with the same oil and same miles is the wear metals PPM going to be less because that filter left on was "getting more efficient" and filtering the wear metals better? What if he left the oil filter on for a 3rd identical run, would the wear metals go down even more because the filter on the 3rd run was a super wear metal filter at that point? I highly doubt it. Yet he has never mentioned this in any of his videos talking about various used oil analysis that I've watched. If he doesn't have real test data proving his claim, it's just a theory from him.
 
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ZeeOSix said:
LSJr's claim that oil filters get more efficient because the super small iron particles are trapped in the filter from attraction forces going on in the oil filter would seem like that would skew Fe wear metals UOA data, based on how long the filter was ran. If he left the filter on and ran another OCI with the same oil and same miles is the wear metals PPM going to be less because that filter left on was "getting more efficient" and filtering the wear metals better? What if he left the oil filter on for a 3rd identical run, would the wear metals go down even more because the filter on the 3rd run was a super wear metal filter at that point? I highly doubt it. Yet he has never mentioned this in any of his videos talking about various used oil analysis that I've watched. If he doesn't have real test data proving his claim, it's just a theory from him.
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I don’t get how particles that wouldn’t be measured anyway can skew anything. I bet he’s never done a filter wash and fuming nitric acid digestion to see what the total iron load is. Without that or some equivalent method how would he know what’s skewed except his imagination?
 
fantastic said:
I wonder where this channel will lead to in the future. I thought it was funny when he said he didn't want to "reset" the performance on the oil filter so didn't change it after dumping the oil. Most OEM's recommend changing them each time.
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Didn’t want to “reset” the performance on the oil filter, so he didn’t change it. Pouring a new quart of oil through to do a “flush” in another video. Sometimes, I think Micheal Waltrip punched hid Daddy so hard back in 1995, that LSJ was affected somehow.
 
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