Liquid Titanium Additive

[Tom NJ]

ConocoPhillips announced the introduction of "Liquid Titanium" additive technology to two of its heavy-duty engine oils. Claiming a "New era of engine protection", the anti-wear additive does not contain phosphorus and reportedly outperforms ZDDP.

For more information, see Petroleum Trend's Jobbers World News at: http://www.jobbersworld.com/november 18 2008.htm

Tom NJ

 

[SD26]

Interesting. Thanks!

 

[OilGuy]

I was wondering how long it would take for the Titanium marketing angle to come to engine oils - it almost seems like they are a couple years late on the bandwagon though. There appears to be a little technology behind it.

 

[scoobie]

what's the problem with molybdenum??? sounds like marketing scheme. CEO want big Christmas present, instructs marketing to come up with gimmick. Marketing boys put heads together, come up with scheme, so they can have their own Christmas present. Sucker is born every minute. Just stick to good ol' SuperTech -- never fails, gives excellent UOA, cheap, and honest.

 

[StevieC]

No.. Don't buy ST. Then Demand goes up and price goes up. Look at fuel... And if demand goes up, then maybe their is a fire or something at the ST plant that drives up the price due to lost product... Sound like BIG OIL to me! hehehehe I'm gonna sell oil that was put into a sterile container that guarantees freshness like no other and call it Organic-Synthetic-Engine-Oil. Only the best for the heart of my car! What these companies won't think of next.

 

[demarpaint]

I'm surprised Tungsten Disulfide hasn't come up as an oil additive. Does pretty much everything moly does, only its non-corrosive and stands up to heat better.

Frank D

 

[StevieC]

There is probably a whole host of neat stuff that could be put into oil to make it truly last forever or do the job better, but at what cost and does it sound cool enough to fetch more money from the consumer. Introducing the new Mach-5-Turbo from Gillette with a motor that vibrates while you shave to make you feel better about the product and 5 blades in case you think 3 just isn't enough... Many we are suckers for marketing eh?

 

[oily boyd]

Intersting idea.

Not sure I agree with the name since Ti melts (becomes a liquid) at >3100F (and should be done in a vacuum).

I wonder how they get it to deposit on the bearings and such? Sounds like a pretty tall order.

Of course, what I don't understand would fill a very large room.

 

[PandaBear]

Titanium dioxide as a soap?

 

[JonnyHotcakes]

Originally Posted By: scoobie
what's the problem with molybdenum???


Why are you bringing up moly?

This is about the titanium additive as a replacement to ZDDP.

 

[Gary Allan]

Hmmmm (thought cloud) Bruceblend® Titanium Shield Stealth Formula

 

[Audi Junkie]

Do labs even test for Ti?

 

[Gary Allan]

That will be the stealth part of it.

 

[INDYMAC]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Do labs even test for Ti?


Blackstone and Dyson do, so I guess most of them do.

 

[addyguy]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm surprised Tungsten Disulfide hasn't come up as an oil additive. Does pretty much everything moly does, only its non-corrosive and stands up to heat better.

Frank D


Years ago, TD was used as an additive in motor oils. I posted years ago about how I went to a service shop once, and they had 2 cans of GTX 20W-50 from the 1960s that said right on them 'contains liquid tungsten'...

Apparently, Tungsten leaves lots of deposits that can lead to sludge, or at least it did.....

 

[buster]

Quote:
Based on data presented at the meeting, ConocoPhillips says there are several clear advantages to the new titanium additive, including:

Enhanced wear control in Cummins ISB test (15% reduction in Cam lobe wear, 46% reduction in Crosshead wear
Reduced cam lobe wear in Sequence IVA test (API SM), 45% reduction in intake lobe wear
HTCBT (D-6594) test results in equal or less corrosion with titanium containing oil showing no harm to copper or lead components
Reduced bearing weight loss in Sequence VIII test show improved bearing protection, 9% reduction in bearing weight loss

 

[buster]

http://www.physorg.com/news136041817.htm

 

[Fuelman]

Isn't titanium disulfide (or dioxide) the pigment that's used to make white paint?

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: scoobie
what's the problem with molybdenum??? sounds like marketing scheme. CEO want big Christmas present, instructs marketing to come up with gimmick. Marketing boys put heads together, come up with scheme, so they can have their own Christmas present. Sucker is born every minute. Just stick to good ol' SuperTech -- never fails, gives excellent UOA, cheap, and honest.


Why is it every post you make mentions CEOs wanting Christmas presents?

 

[GMorg]

According to NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology, US government lab), when Afton's organic Titanium compound is used in fully formulated PCMO, a hard oxide is formed at the site of wear. They detected iron titanate on the surface. This is the result of chemical cross-linking and has nothing to do with Titanium's melting point. Keep in mind that this test was done in fully formulated oil, including ZDDP.

http://www.physorg.com/news136041817.htm

Perhaps the Connoco/Phillips product works by a similar mechanism.