Liqui Moly Ceratec

Some interesting "PF" type testing with Ceratec trying to answer the questions being raised here from our Mustang friends who look to use this product to help with a common tick....I guess they took a break from losing control of their cars leaving their local Cars and Coffee which we all thank them for.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ceratec-experiment-does-it-fall-out.133741/


Be careful however folks....here on BITOG any testing of this sort is usually considered null/void w/r to actual oil testing inside an ICE, can get users banned, and many a post closed by the mods (I'm already in before lock) so if you are someone that has beat up on anyone here for placing any relevance on this type of testing for oils....I suggest you carefully tiptoe around this mason jar testing that supports your anti-additive/LM/whatever agenda 🤣🤣🤣

What we really need here is a clear oil pan!

Of note - LM will freely admit (I talked to their tech support about it) that these solid additives can fall out but that they are re-homogenized with the oil after driving.
 
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demarpaint said:
My bet is they know they know ceramic additives and MoS2 is not a good oil additive, and there are better options. If you remember, I asked a company that produces and sells nano ceramic powder what they thought about adding it to oil, when I ordered from them to use it to coat bullets. They flat out told me they advised against it, although people are doing it. They said it can and does fall out of suspension and there's no benefit to it, especially in vehicles that are not driven everyday. But hey to those who feel they're making their oil better buy adding it, go for it. Me I figure if someone is selling the stuff and advising me against using it in oil, that's enough for me.
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I'd think that a company that has a R&D department for developing oils and oil additives would know a *bit* more than the guy selling you the raw material you are using to coat bullets (which is pretty interesting BTW!) and that there is a difference in dumping raw whatever powder in your whatever motor oil than a blended finished product.
 
Also, thinking about it, my oil pan will come out this week/replacing with an aluminum one. I've used MoS2 a few times as well as Ceratec but these were many oil changes ago. I'll ask them to grab some pics/maybe I'll swing out and have a look myself; I'll get the oil pan back so they will likely clean it all up so want to see before they do that.
 
TiGeo said:
I'd think that a company that has a R&D department for developing oils and oil additives would know a *bit* more than the guy selling you the raw material you are using to coat bullets (which is pretty interesting BTW!) and that there is a difference in dumping raw whatever powder in your whatever motor oil than a blended finished product.
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We have companies here that do R&D, like well respected HPL. Not a peep about adding nano ceramic to their oil. I also think well respected Amsoil will pass on it too. The smart money is on not because of cost, but because there are much better options than nano ceramic and MoS2 additives to add into their high quality oil. ;) I'm also thinking they'd rather not engage in a battle between their customers over non-sense like Ceratec.

FTR the company I bought the nano ceramic powder from is not a retailer, but a producer of the product, and a few others including MoS2 and Tungsten Disulfide. They do their own R&D.
 
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demarpaint said:
We have companies here that do R&D, like well respected HPL. Not a peep about adding nano ceramic to their oil. I also think well respected Amsoil will pass on it too. The smart money is on not because of cost, but because there are much better options than nano ceramic and MoS2 additives to add into their high quality oil. ;) I'm also thinking they'd rather not engage in a battle between their customers over non-sense like Ceratec.

FTR the company I bought the nano ceramic powder from is not a retailer, but a producer of the product, and a few others including MoS2 and Tungsten Disulfide. They do their own R&D.
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That's like the companies I work for that produce raw titanium feedstock/mineral telling someone XYZ about making the metal. Yes, they do R&D etc. to ensure they understand the market/end uses for their mineral feedstocks but they are most certainly not end users/produces of products or come to close to the R&D those companies do or anywhere close to the authority on it.
 
TiGeo said:
Also, thinking about it, my oil pan will come out this week/replacing with an aluminum one. I've used MoS2 a few times as well as Ceratec but these were many oil changes ago. I'll ask them to grab some pics/maybe I'll swing out and have a look myself; I'll get the oil pan back so they will likely clean it all up so want to see before they do that.
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Ask them not to clean it? put in a plastic bag as is.
 
Jetronic said:
Ask them not to clean it? put in a plastic bag as is.
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That's the plan, I should be speaking with them tomorrow. One would think based on the convo in this thread that after running these products multiple times I should have some goop hole-up in my pan.
 
TiGeo said:
That's like the companies I work for that produce raw titanium feedstock/mineral telling someone XYZ about making the metal. Yes, they do R&D etc. to ensure they understand the market/end uses for their mineral feedstocks but they are most certainly not end users/produces of products or come to close to the R&D those companies do or anywhere close to the authority on it.
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When I see the majors and the boutique blenders I mentioned here endorsing it I'll believe it might have some merit. Until then, the smart money is on if they thought it was good they'd use it. Regarding it clumped up in an oil pan, @Trav 's pictures and others on this site already told that story.
 
demarpaint said:
When I see the majors and the boutique blenders I mentioned here endorsing it I'll believe it might have some merit. Until then, the smart money is on if they thought it was good they'd use it. Regarding it clumped up in an oil pan, @Trav 's pictures and others on this site already told that story.
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MoS2 clumped in the oil pan in 1 (show me the others) person's pan after a long period of not running and not after significant driving to re-mix. It's a single data point - a data point none the less. He ran Ceratec in an air compressor. This is the only place I've seen where anyone noted an issue with these products clumping and assuming they woudln't remix upon normal use.
 
TiGeo said:
MoS2 clumped in the oil pan in 1 (show me the others) person's pan after a long period of not running and not after significant driving to re-mix. It's a single data point - a data point none the less. He ran Ceratec in an air compressor. This is the only place I've seen where anyone noted an issue with these products clumping and assuming they woudln't remix upon normal use.
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Use the search function, that's what its for. You might have to go back a few years. IIRC @JHZR2 might have posted pictures or witnessed the same problems @Trav had.
 
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Use the search function, that's what its for. You might have to go back a few years. IIRC @JHZR2 might have posted pictures or witnessed the same problems @Trav had.
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I have on this topic many times and have never found those pics - don't really need them as I get it/believe it. Lots of older posts with you and Trav in them, 10 years ago that were locked due to bickering...this topic is a BITOG classic for sure! Intersting physics discussion in one on the settling rates/particle sizes/etc. Also some good info/testing over on the Porcshe forum Rennlist regarding MoS2 and Ceratec use.
 
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hrv said:
I will take White Castle.... :D
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F that noise...mexican pizza is back and on 11/17...the glory of Jesus Christ himself will adorne you with the Enchirito.

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