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Wow, Fantastic. I am up and running on Linux Mint on my 2006 HP Pavilion s7700n. It came with Windows Vista and last year I had a lot of trouble with it to the point I had to reload the OS every time I restarted it. But my son is studying IT for a bachelor's degree and loaded Linux Mint and the computer works GREAT now.

I am still leary of hackers and have no antivirus. It just seems to me that somewhere out there is a guy who will try to hack Linux just to prove he can to it.
 
Well, there is malware out there for Linux. However, it's not nearly the problem it is for Windows machines. Still, you should get some protection running.
 
I have never remotely concerned myself over antivirus, antimalware and the like; and no one I have ever encountered using Linux-based OS's has, either. Head on over to the Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Mint, Debian and Arch forums and ask how many people who *actually use this day-to-day* ever concern themselves over it. None. It is simply not an issue. It is FUD: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Heck, on my system it is not even possible to execute a file on the partition that stores all of my user data. So even if I downloaded a "Linux virus" it could not run because nothing can run from that area of the disk! There aren't much in the way of open ports in a default install so there really isn't anywhere for a hacker to hack into. I can't even recall the last time I had to bugger with a firewall.

Do yourself a favour and try Googling around to find accounts of anyone being victimized by Linux malware. Then you will rest at ease and you can begin acclimatizing yourself to what might at first be a very uncomfortable feeling: that of security and ownership of your own system. The biggest pitfall I found when I first began using Linux in '03 (Debian and Knoppix) was that in my boredom (no defragging, no updating antivirus definition databases, no having to hunt all over the place at different web sites for installation files for the applications I needed and updating those individually) I began tinkering under the hood past the scope of my nascent expertise, and I hosed a few installations!

Enjoy using Linux. You will find that there is a generous community of people who make this ecosystem of OS's possible; and they all work very hard to produce the most advanced and robust family of OS's out there, asking absolutely nothing in return.
 
I'd worry more about swiping a plastic card at a major retailer. That's where the money is.

I use an Ubuntu desktop exclusively at work as a software developer. I watch people struggle with Windows and wonder how I could ever go back to it. Makes me shudder.
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Wow, Fantastic. I am up and running on Linux Mint on my 2006 HP Pavilion s7700n. It came with Windows Vista and last year I had a lot of trouble with it to the point I had to reload the OS every time I restarted it. But my son is studying IT for a bachelor's degree and loaded Linux Mint and the computer works GREAT now.

I am still leary of hackers and have no antivirus. It just seems to me that somewhere out there is a guy who will try to hack Linux just to prove he can to it.


Yes fantastic! I had the same concerns as you when I installed it on my wife's computer. No worries at all now. She did nothing but complain about windows Vista, I did too. I thought that OS absolutely sucked. I will be changing my XP tower over to Mint in the next few weeks. At some point I might even switch my Win 7 laptop over.
 
Linux just doesn't have enough market share to attract hackers. I understand that there are some things that make it somewhat less vulnerable, but really its advantage is its not much of a target. You can get Clam AV if you want.
 
what uc50ic4more said.

Windows users will try to convince you that your computing experience needs to be as bad as theirs; I think you are on the road to believing otherwise.
 
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
The biggest pitfall I found when I first began using Linux in '03 (Debian and Knoppix) was that in my boredom (no defragging, no updating antivirus definition databases, no having to hunt all over the place at different web sites for installation files for the applications I needed and updating those individually) I began tinkering under the hood past the scope of my nascent expertise, and I hosed a few installations!

Now that is my kind of boredom.

Originally Posted By: JerryBob
I'd worry more about swiping a plastic card at a major retailer.
I heard that is how Target's credit card database was corrupted. Some hacker put malware on their computer by swiping a card with a modified strip.
 
Linux is a true multi-user OS. The virus can try but it can't get the authority to do the harm unless you run as root and open the door for it.
 
I have XP machines at work and will probably upgrade to Win7 but was wondering if you use Linux can you run windows programs with it?
 
As I read about your Mint experience I have been using it all evening on a Dell 755 Optiplex. What amazes me is how sharp the fonts are and graphics. With Windows 8.1 things looked awefull.

I still need Windoze for some things at work. I am finding I am using that computer less and the one with Mint more. I have a HP 5600 All-In-One. Plugged it in and was printing immediately.

Everything works without a lot of work. I am still having a hard time wrapping my mind around idea of a computer that works without much maintenance or fiddling.
 
Originally Posted By: Stelth
Well, there is malware out there for Linux. However, it's not nearly the problem it is for Windows machines. Still, you should get some protection running.

Hogwash. I've cleaned more malware off of one Windows laptop than probably exists on every Linux machine on the planet combined plus every theoretical compromise combined.
Originally Posted By: jimbrewer
Linux just doesn't have enough market share to attract hackers.

That's a gross oversimplification to the point of being disingenuous. The security model in Linux is totally different from the historical Windows (and even DOS, and AmigaDOS, and however far back you want to go) security model.

Linux does have enough market share to attract hackers. As was stated earlier in the thread, FUD. Windows may be important on desktops and laptops, and Linux may be marginal there. That's decidedly not the case in servers. Run Linux for a while, and then you'll see exactly why it's secure. Try deleting crucial files without root or root type access. Try installing or uninstalling something in the same fashion.

And yes, Windows users like to see other people as miserable as them. How would the Windows automotive experience go? To get functional safety equipment, you have to go to another vendor (i.e. antivirus). To do your brakes, you have to go to a completely different service centre than for oil changes, and a different one for tires, and a different one for exhaust, and a different one for air filters, and another for plugs, and another for suspension work (i.e. Flash updates, browser updates, AV updates, player updates, driver updates, InstallShield updates, miscellaneous software updates). In many versions of Linux, you type:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

And that's it; or, the updates can be unattended. The important thing is that they're all done at the same time from the same place. There's no chance of installing the wrong thing by going to the wrong site or clicking on a popup that installs nonsense, or having ten startup applications checking for updates the second you turn the machine on, or running update jobs in the background all the time.

uc50ic4more: The two biggest Windows cash cows (aside from Windows itself and "expert" advice) are antivirus and backup software. The Linux alternatives, with which you are well versed, are much better and free: Nothing and tar, respectively.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
I have XP machines at work and will probably upgrade to Win7 but was wondering if you use Linux can you run windows programs with it?

Unless it's something that is only available on Windows (such as many games), why would you want to run Windows programs? You can use a car as a horse drawn carriage. I'm not sure why anyone would want to, though.
 
It's been a long time, but you can run WINE in the Linux world.

You can also run Virtual Box and have a Windows VM should you really need a Windows App. That does mean you need a legitimate Windows license. But you can do it.


FWIW, I run Ubuntu on my work laptop and then run Virtual Box for those few times I need a Windows Application.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
I have XP machines at work and will probably upgrade to Win7 but was wondering if you use Linux can you run windows programs with it?


You can run several Windows programs by installing Wine.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Doog
I have XP machines at work and will probably upgrade to Win7 but was wondering if you use Linux can you run windows programs with it?


You can run several Windows programs by installing Wine.


It always helps to check WINE's application database: http://appdb.winehq.org/
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Doog
I have XP machines at work and will probably upgrade to Win7 but was wondering if you use Linux can you run windows programs with it?

Unless it's something that is only available on Windows (such as many games), why would you want to run Windows programs? You can use a car as a horse drawn carriage. I'm not sure why anyone would want to, though.


My system at work is all microsoft based servers.
 
Well, if it's time for some wholesale upgrades, it might be time to switch software, too, even. Obviously, if I want to run IE or MS Flight Simulator, I'm stuck with a Windows machine (with a few other workarounds available). If I'm satisfied with switching to Firefox and XPlane, I can use another operating system.
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At work I've been using Ubuntu for SSH and Python development. I've been curious about Mint but I'm wondering which desktop environment to try.

For those using Mint, are you using Cinnamon, MATE, KDE, Xfce, etc...?
 
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