I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
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Lexus tops J.D. Power's most dependable car again
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Originally Posted By: Rock_Hudstone
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Discuss. Nice to see GM is doing better. Surprised to see Porsche so high.
2011 was the first year ever Porsche built over 100,000 vehicles, a whopping 118,000 to be exact.
Porsche, and other low volume makes, shouldn't even be included in these rankings against true mass production manufacturers in my opinion.
you are right! that makes toyota 2nd to lexus! . although subaru being below chevy??!!! doubtful
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Discuss. Nice to see GM is doing better. Surprised to see Porsche so high.
2011 was the first year ever Porsche built over 100,000 vehicles, a whopping 118,000 to be exact.
Porsche, and other low volume makes, shouldn't even be included in these rankings against true mass production manufacturers in my opinion.
you are right! that makes toyota 2nd to lexus! . although subaru being below chevy??!!! doubtful
One thing that I can say about our past Toyota/Lexus vehicles is, that they've been reliable! Even if not as enjoyable to drive as were some of our other vehicles.
I have been very fortunate with this '04 Nissan Altima, as it doesn't show to be a steller vehicle in terms of reliability. Being my first Nissan, I'm very happy with it and love the way it drives/feels in my hands and the seat of the pants.
I have been very fortunate with this '04 Nissan Altima, as it doesn't show to be a steller vehicle in terms of reliability. Being my first Nissan, I'm very happy with it and love the way it drives/feels in my hands and the seat of the pants.
Originally Posted By: dparm
That survey has been repeatedly proven to be very flawed. Any visit to the dealer is tallied, even if it's dumb stuff like "I don't understand how to use the GPS system." Ford got screwed when SYNC started hitting because people couldn't figure out how to use it.
Basically a catastrophic motor failure is given the same weight as trivial things like a trim piece that rattles.
Similar logic applies to Buick: higher average age and hence the cars don't get driven as much (so less chance to break).
In complete agreement. This is just data, and the evaluation of it is critical. I tend to ignore most of this advice.
Purely anecdotal, but my Chrysler has been one of my best purchases across 40+ years of car and truck ownership.
That survey has been repeatedly proven to be very flawed. Any visit to the dealer is tallied, even if it's dumb stuff like "I don't understand how to use the GPS system." Ford got screwed when SYNC started hitting because people couldn't figure out how to use it.
Basically a catastrophic motor failure is given the same weight as trivial things like a trim piece that rattles.
Similar logic applies to Buick: higher average age and hence the cars don't get driven as much (so less chance to break).
In complete agreement. This is just data, and the evaluation of it is critical. I tend to ignore most of this advice.
Purely anecdotal, but my Chrysler has been one of my best purchases across 40+ years of car and truck ownership.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
The other chart that I think is useful is the "defects per 1000 vehicles". That's an indicator of QC at the factory.
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Wow, Dodge is terrible, how many years have they been close to the bottom? Which vehicle brings them way down in the rankings?
Our 2011 Caravan was horrible, flat out embarrasing for a new vehicle. I have been doing my best not to rip them anymore, as at one point I was very upset with them, I am slowly getting over it- but you asked...
Wow, Dodge is terrible, how many years have they been close to the bottom? Which vehicle brings them way down in the rankings?
Our 2011 Caravan was horrible, flat out embarrasing for a new vehicle. I have been doing my best not to rip them anymore, as at one point I was very upset with them, I am slowly getting over it- but you asked...
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Wow, Dodge is terrible, how many years have they been close to the bottom? Which vehicle brings them way down in the rankings?
Since they started making cars?
It is interesting to see Ram come from bottom ast year to near the top this year. Wonder what changed and if it will continue. And as uaual, Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep is bringing up the rear.
And it reinforces what I have been saying - Honda is no better than the rest. Toyota somehow is still making decent stuff. But I still think they are way overrated and not as good as they seem.
Wow, Dodge is terrible, how many years have they been close to the bottom? Which vehicle brings them way down in the rankings?
Since they started making cars?
And it reinforces what I have been saying - Honda is no better than the rest. Toyota somehow is still making decent stuff. But I still think they are way overrated and not as good as they seem.
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
But BMW is apparently more reliable that Scion, Infiniti...etc, LOL!!!
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
But BMW is apparently more reliable that Scion, Infiniti...etc, LOL!!!
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
But BMW is apparently more reliable that Scion, Infiniti...etc, LOL!!!
Exactly. Read my previous post! These charts do NOT tell you how your particular car is going to behave. The folks that buy into this and only purchase the top rated cars are NOT guaranteed a trouble free driving experience.
I can honestly say that I have never used this kind of data to decide what to buy.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
But BMW is apparently more reliable that Scion, Infiniti...etc, LOL!!!
Exactly. Read my previous post! These charts do NOT tell you how your particular car is going to behave. The folks that buy into this and only purchase the top rated cars are NOT guaranteed a trouble free driving experience.
I can honestly say that I have never used this kind of data to decide what to buy.
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
But BMW is apparently more reliable that Scion, Infiniti...etc, LOL!!!
Exactly. Read my previous post! These charts do NOT tell you how your particular car is going to behave. The folks that buy into this and only purchase the top rated cars are NOT guaranteed a trouble free driving experience.
I can honestly say that I have never used this kind of data to decide what to buy.
Exactly, hence the use of the term "apparently" in my post
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have trouble believing that Buick and Suzuki are more reliable than Bmw ?
I sure don't. BMW has tons of issues and vocal owners who are all over the Net just a-squealin'.
But BMW is apparently more reliable that Scion, Infiniti...etc, LOL!!!
Exactly. Read my previous post! These charts do NOT tell you how your particular car is going to behave. The folks that buy into this and only purchase the top rated cars are NOT guaranteed a trouble free driving experience.
I can honestly say that I have never used this kind of data to decide what to buy.
Exactly, hence the use of the term "apparently" in my post
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Yeah but where the BMW is going to really cost you in reliability over say a domestic is just past the 3 years beyond where the JD Power's survey ends.
Put the word potentially in there, and I would agree. My M5 has cost me less to own than my sister's 2-year newer 330i has cost her. Just being a BMW doesn't mean it is going to be expensive to own. But I think it means that it MAY be expensive to own if issues arise.
Yeah but where the BMW is going to really cost you in reliability over say a domestic is just past the 3 years beyond where the JD Power's survey ends.
Put the word potentially in there, and I would agree. My M5 has cost me less to own than my sister's 2-year newer 330i has cost her. Just being a BMW doesn't mean it is going to be expensive to own. But I think it means that it MAY be expensive to own if issues arise.
My main point is JD Powers a lot like Consumer Reports doesn't give you the real story of the significance of the issues or how it'll be 5+ years out. So most cars have 1.2 or so undefined issues within the first 3 years while under warranty. whoopdy do
That said the dependability survey showed that GM cars were as good or better than average and higher than several other makes that get touted as dependable.
That said the dependability survey showed that GM cars were as good or better than average and higher than several other makes that get touted as dependable.
I think many here would agree that GM is still trying to shake a very old reputation that seems no longer valid.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Exactly. Read my previous post! These charts do NOT tell you how your particular car is going to behave. The folks that buy into this and only purchase the top rated cars are NOT guaranteed a trouble free driving experience.
I can honestly say that I have never used this kind of data to decide what to buy.
What do you use to decide what car to buy?
Are there more accurate resources to learn what cars are more likely to be more reliable as used vehicles?
Exactly. Read my previous post! These charts do NOT tell you how your particular car is going to behave. The folks that buy into this and only purchase the top rated cars are NOT guaranteed a trouble free driving experience.
I can honestly say that I have never used this kind of data to decide what to buy.
What do you use to decide what car to buy?
Are there more accurate resources to learn what cars are more likely to be more reliable as used vehicles?
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