Lexus RZ, first EV for the brand DOA
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Yeah, doesnt seem to be anything wrong with some new fresh "blood" for the changing marketplace and it is changing while still having the past successes still there. I tend to think a lot about their culture over there of honorable passing on the reins when they feel their time is up.
Agree and Takeshi admitted struggling for quite some time. At least the way I read that article I linked which quotes his words about that.
Fun fact, the RZ was developed on hollowed out current gen highlander shell. If you see the RZ launch promo with Toyoda doing a TD, its actually that prototype.
The interior design looks like an the cancelled next Gen Lexus GS (which became the current gen mirai).
I think Toyoda's younger brother or cousin (i forget atm) is currently being trained as well through the ranks. I believe the tradition is for them to start at the bottom, Toyoda was a saleperson then work your way to the top.
Of course, it’s a Lexus. It’s not cobbled together by people who wake up at 3-4AM from places far away from the “proper” Bay Area(Stockton/Modesto and Fairfield-Vacaville) and hauled in on buses to Tesla Fremont.
But Tesla has won the game… for now. TNGA isn’t really built for BEV electrification. It was designed around ICE and xHEV. The old Mirai was basically an uglier Prius, with less cargo space. The new Mirai switching over to TNGA-L allowed Toyota to sacrifice less space - H2 tanks can sit in the drivetrain tunnel.
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/toyota-says-it-bz4x-electric-car-may-not-charge-below-32-degrees-f
I think this guy might be correct. If Toyota is using LFP chemistry, it may explain for some of the attributes.
But Toyota is also advertising that their battery will retain 90% of its capacity after 10 years. Tesla doesn't match that.
My Tesla has an LPF battery. It does have the benefit of supposedly not care about being fully charged more often, though it's not quite as energy dense and should last around 3,000 charge cycles. That's like 800,000 miles.
Side note(s):
https://www.solterraforum.com/threads/solterra-range-and-charging-experiences.970/post-12000
https://www.bzforums.com/threads/charging-speed.393/post-3152
Looks like Toyota is being super-conservative with their battery preservation tactics. No surprise there, given how the company tends to do things. DC fast charging is borderline pointless, and you are limited to 2 sessions a day before speeds drop-off even further.
https://www.solterraforum.com/threads/solterra-range-and-charging-experiences.970/post-12000
https://www.bzforums.com/threads/charging-speed.393/post-3152
Looks like Toyota is being super-conservative with their battery preservation tactics. No surprise there, given how the company tends to do things. DC fast charging is borderline pointless, and you are limited to 2 sessions a day before speeds drop-off even further.
Its the perfect vehicle for the typical Lexus owner. Now they can drive 4 miles to their bridge game and tell all their friends how green they are. A bit sarcastic, but based in truth. I know lots of Lexus owners. Hilton Head Island is littered with them. The people I know seldom leave the island - its about 12 miles long.
Fits right in with the rest of their product line. They will likely sell every one they make, which will be about 1000, because they have no interest in being the EV market leader. They take proven ideas and make them better, more reliable, and cheaper and mass produce them for the entire world.
Fits right in with the rest of their product line. They will likely sell every one they make, which will be about 1000, because they have no interest in being the EV market leader. They take proven ideas and make them better, more reliable, and cheaper and mass produce them for the entire world.
This is something I am not familiar with. What is considered a charge cycle? If I plug my vehicle in every night, is that considered a cycle? Or is it some amount of discharge / recharge?
Honestly horrible. Id rather have the rx500h f sport. By far.
Fit and finish I'm positive is better, and I wouldn't be so quick to count Toyota out of the game. IMO in about ten years from now the current battery technology will be a joke, and Toyota will be probably be a leader in a better technology, be it battery or something else.
It means when you've used 100 percent of the capacity of the battery. So if you use 20 percent/day then it's 1 charge cycle every 5 days.
In any case you shouldn't "top off" a battery.
"Elon Musk stated earlier this year that the Tesla Model 3 drive unit and body was designed to last one million miles. The battery, however, has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants)."
It's supposed to be the rating how many times you can take it from a low state of charge to full before the battery reaches only 80% of its original capacity. It's why the common practice in electric cars is to not run it below 20% and not charge over 80%-90%. It's the deep discharging and full recharging that wears the batteries over time. The LPF battery used in the base Model 3 being rated to 3,000 charges is said to be a million mile battery. I think once you calculate in real world mileage for each one of these charges you're looking more at 800,000 miles and the battery doesn't have suggestions to not charge to full regularly.
Most batteries are rated this way, especially small electronics. It's not talked about much. Teslas with the previous battery tech are rated to around 1,500 charges. The negative to the LPF is that it's not quite as energy dense so it'll weigh a bit more than the other battery for the same usable power. That said the car weighs 3,800lbs and is still rated for 272 miles.
LOL I posted his early. A few grammar errors. Now corrected.
The million mile one he talked about was the LPF which is rated for 3,000 charge cycles. I don't know if their plan is to fully convert to them, but as far as I understand it's only in the RWD Model 3 and some base Model Ys so far.