3 drain and fills on my vehicle will get you to 91.2%, FWIW.
In the other thread you stated:Probably, @The Critic needs to see this as well. He is an unbeliever and mistakenly thinks that I have something against him or I don't know my ATFs. I don't have anything against him, and I do know my ATFs.
Thank you for posting. The additive package looks identical to Mobil 1 LV ATF HP (Dexron HP) and HPL Blue/Green ATF. Which means it also uses the same friction modification chemistry and anti wear package.
You are 100% correct. However, the friction modification chemistry is part of the additive package. You cannot separate the two. I can't tell any variance in the elemental levels of the fluids I listed. Based on personal experience with these fluids, they all share the same friction modification chemistry.Anyone with the slightest clue about ATF's will understand that the friction modification chemistry cannot be identified (and revealed) via an UOA.
For the 2016 RAM 1500 I got a PPE Aluminum Oil Pan, which holds 2 extra quarts of oil. I switched once from to all AMSOIL ATL, and hated the shift quality, it was way to firm, and exposed all the shortcomings of the transmission, being a first gen 8HP70, like the rough 1-2 shift on the first start of the day when it's really cold outside, or when coming to a stop it does a harsh 2-1 shift on the downcoast because it leaves the torque convertor clutch engaged down to the first shift, all of which is stupid programing for best fuel economy. Anyway, the extra 2 quarts allowed me to replace 95% of the fluid. Finally, I switched the 8HP70 to Mobil 1 LV ATF HP and couldn't be happier. I also considered TES-668, but didn't have a VOA at the time for comparison.3 drain and fills on my vehicle will get you to 91.2%, FWIW.
Fair, but again, you're focused on the metallic additives that are detectable. There are other components that are not metallic that may be part of the FM package.I can't tell any variance in the elemental levels of the fluids I listed. Based on personal experience with these fluids, they all share the same friction modification chemistry.
Fair enough, however, you would see some variance in the DI package if the friction modification chemistry would be different, as it's tied to the additive package in more than one way. For example, in MT fluid for manual transaxles you see lots of Calcium and Magnesium, as that's part of the friction modification chemistry. I old Valvoline MaxLife (pre-2020), Red Line D6 and AMSOIL ATL, you see identical amounts of Phosphorus, Calcium, and Boron. I've used both Red Line and AMSOIL and they both share the same firm shifting characteristics. My point: you would see a variance in the elementals, or additional elementals, if there was a variance in the friction modification chemistry of the fluids I listed. However, there is no reason for Infineum to make any changes, as they dialed it in perfectly.Fair, but again, you're focused on the metallic additives that are detectable. There are other components that are not metallic that may be part of the FM package.
I do have 4 gal of HPL Green that I plan to use at some point, I just have not found an application for it....yet.
The PPE trans pan for the 6R80 only showed coverage for the 2011-17 models, last time I checkedYou are 100% correct. However, the friction modification chemistry is part of the additive package. You cannot separate the two. I can't tell any variance in the elemental levels of the fluids I listed. Based on personal experience with these fluids, they all share the same friction modification chemistry.
I recommend you try one of them, at least. You will be exceedingly happy with the results. Just make sure you replace your old fluid entirely, for the best possible outcome.
For the 2016 RAM 1500 I got a PPE Aluminum Oil Pan, which holds 2 extra quarts of oil. I switched once from to all AMSOIL ATL, and hated the shift quality, it was way to firm, and exposed all the shortcomings of the transmission, being a first gen 8HP70, like the rough 1-2 shift on the first start of the day when it's really cold outside, or when coming to a stop it does a harsh 2-1 shift on the downcoast because it leaves the torque convertor clutch engaged down to the first shift, all of which is stupid programing for best fuel economy. Anyway, the extra 2 quarts allowed me to replace 95% of the fluid. Finally, I switched the 8HP70 to Mobil 1 LV ATF HP and couldn't be happier. I also considered TES-668, but didn't have a VOA at the time for comparison.
In the Hyundai, I can overfill the transmission by 1 quart, that's how I can get out nearly everything and replace 98%. I overfill the first 2 times and only drive for 5 miles each time with the transmission cold. The last time I fill it up correctly.
The ZF 8HP70 is impossible to overfill by any meaningful amount, maybe 2-3 ounces, at best.
I hope this helps.