Legacy, Passat (TDI), S60....any owners?

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So once again, with wife's Elantra nearing 200k miles in a few weeks, thoughts about putting money into it to keep it in good/safe running condition VS new car discussions are emerging...

To keep the Elantra hwy safe, (wife drives to work 50 min each way, and takes long-ish trips pretty often on interstate to see fam/friends which are normally 6-7 hr interstate trips), the amount of money needed (replace a bent wheel/wheels, numerous suspension parts, etc etc.) is clearly more than the car's value at this point.
Lack of cruise control is also becoming a concern on those long trips...
Dash has a big crack developing... yrs of sitting outside since 2003 has done that, and the paint/clear coat is peeling in several places on all horizontal surfaces.

she doesn't complain, but that's because she's a good sport and she doesn't feel everything i feel when I drive it at 65 mph...it just needs a good amount of work to be solid and safe right now. I have told her to rent a car for her next trip to Knoxville TN to see her mom - I just worry.

SO, with all this, I showed a few cars that might interest her.
(NO HONDA OR TOYOTA in our household - ever! not because they're bad - even if wife doesn't care much about what brand/make, ** I ** want something that has a BIT of exclusivity)


She won't drive anything that looks "weird or outlandish" and needs to be "sedate or normal" looking.
so few cars passed her test there by looking at images online:

Her family has 3 Subarus - all Forresters of different generations - and they've been great. So as wife doesn't want anything SUV/wagon shaped, I thought the current Legacy might interest her. AWD is a plus...

She also seems to be like the Passat - I am esp. interested about the TDI as she's MPG conscious.

Then she says a friend has a Volovo S60 ... says it's "kinda ok" so i put that into the mix too.... i know nothing about Volvos - so people still consider them reliable and safe? Is there any danger of the company going belly-up? i just heard someone say that at work...

My (half-joking) suggestion of a BMW 128i coupe didn't sit well with her - she sort of giggled as if she was embarrassed (she does like driving my 3-series ZHP though...)
she thinks they're cute, and I suspect she secretly likes them...( more expensive than above choices though, although CPO can get around $25k or so...)

But before we go out and test drive some cars in the near future, i wanted to see if there are any owners of above cars have any feedback that might help eliminate one or the other automatically...

Thanks IA.
 
Don't and haven't owned any of the cars you're looking at.

If you want opinion, please read on:

VW is getting great reviews on the Passat. If 45+mpg sounds good then the diesel is your baby.

S60 is a good car, but longevity is a question mark and I've read some poor reviews in that area.

BMWs are nice, however any maintenance will be expensive.
 
VW Golf, VW Jetta, Dodge Dart, Ford Focus, Ford Fiesta?

If youre gonna go VW, go with TDI,
The new Dart is nice, test drove the 1.4L Turbo, and the regular Automatic
Ford Focus is nice, well, Ive rode in a 2011 one
Fiestas are nice, though the only ones I've been in are hatch's

View all spectrums, Subies are nice, as are VW's, they're also a good amt of $$, yet are sturdy...

The new Dart is pretty much my favorite right now, with a TDI Jetta second.
 
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Thanks for the comments so far -
to clarify: I think she wants a bit of an upgrade from the base-segment models, and go to a mid-level model in whatever make.
(meaning: Not Golf/Jetta but Passat, not Focus/Fiesta but Fusion, not Impreza but Legacy etc etc).
Only exception to this is the BMW 1-series.

The current Fusion didn't pass her "sedate/normal" look test.
 
I have never owned a German car, but we are seriously considering purchasing a Passat TDI. I am fond of the classicly elegant styling, the TDI/6MT combo, and American construction.

It is on our short list. The other possibility being the not yet available Mazda 6 with the Skyactiv-D. If/when it becomes available is not yet known, though.
 
I actually shopped several of those cars very heavily. Test drove several of them a bunch of times.

I ruled out the Legacy GT because the interior was just too far behind the others. Did not feel as luxurious. The turbo flat-4 was a very responsive motor, though. During normal driving I did not like the low-tech AWD system, either.

I ruled out the S60 R due to high repair costs and mediocre reliability. The interior was a bit quirky but I did like it a lot; well-styled and certainly a rare vehicle with good street-cred. The adjustable suspension was interesting but not as black-and-white as I had hoped for.
 
I like the Passat, but if TDI is not absolutely mandatory, I'd take the 2.0T CC instead. I think the interior on the CC is a bit more upscale, the auto trans is a DSG, and it's made in Germany. On the hwy, it should easily get you high 30s. Not as economical as the TDI, but not bad either.
 
Thanks -
The legacy GT is no more for Subaru - it has been discontinued.
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It's either the 4 banger or the 6 cylinder now.

The CC is more expensive to start with, Pete - will be pretty $$$ when u get a few options...


BUT WAIT !!! I just saw THIS:

the new Mazda 6 (2014 but avail. early 2013 - )
the 2.5L will make 190 Hp, same number for torque AND will increase MPG to 35 MPG with SkyActive engine and i-E Pool break energy conversion, which some Hybrids do although this is not a hybrid...
It will be lighter than the current 6 also...

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3y9UZMoOYw
 
Have her look at the 1 series again. Every idiot and their brother fleeces a 3 series, and they have gotten piggishly large. The 1 series retains a bit more of the e30 or 2002 character.

But I'm a big subaru fan. An impreza, outback, legacy gt are all great cars with different types of uniqueness that would be interesting

IIrc the passat tdi is using the same engine as the golf/Jetta, just using the def fluid. That doesn't really bother me. Iirc the new passat is us made.

Given the use I'd consider a 335d, despite my comments about the 3er. Also the A3 tdi.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Have her look at the 1 series again. Every idiot and their brother fleeces a 3 series, and they have gotten piggishly large. The 1 series retains a bit more of the e30 or 2002 character.

But I'm a big subaru fan. An impreza, outback, legacy gt are all great cars with different types of uniqueness that would be interesting

IIrc the passat tdi is using the same engine as the golf/Jetta, just using the def fluid. That doesn't really bother me. Iirc the new passat is us made.

Given the use I'd consider a 335d, despite my comments about the 3er. Also the A3 tdi.


I agree about the current and E90x 3 series-nothing special, unless you get a 335 is
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That's why i went for a late-model yr E46 - more character than what came after it, IMO.

I like the 1-series about 100x more than the current or last gen 3

335d price range will not be endorsed by she-who-must- be-obeyed
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Pete - slight apology:
-now that I look at it, the CC base model does have anything that wifey might want, at starts at 31k BUT I have a feeling that it will be a real PITA to find a base CC at a dealership.
 
CPO CCs are easy to find, it seems - several Base CCs around us with around 20k miles. for $23k or so....
wonder how the VW CPO program is as opposed to BMW CPO which I know have a pretty good rep, winning awards, etc
 
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On the hwy, it should easily get you high 30s.

I meant low 30s, sorry.

Also, I don't know if VW has worked all the kinks out of this DI engine (valve deposit issues), so if you're planning on racking up a lot of miles on it, maybe this isn't ideal.
 
Yeah I thought you meant low 30's...seems it gets 29/30 mpg with the 2.0 T.
So in that front, wifey won't be making any improvements...

About the DI engine issued...IDK - i might have to do more research on that.
It seems an easy car to research on as far as configuring, the base version HAS a good assortment of standard stuff.

Perhaps one should wait for the 2014 Mazda 6 before starting a test-driving spree. (expected MPG > 36)...

But I guess we can at least look at the CCs, Legacys and VW TDIs while we wait...
 
Dodge Dart or new Subaru Impreza. I sat in a dart the other day when mom and i went looking at durangos and I came away very impressed, it certainly feels like a Much more expensive car than it is.The durango was impressive as well. Next year after dad gets back from Washington state she is looking at getting another fullsize sug. She wants something to tow the camper she wants to get as well as something with more than 5 seats. Right now primary considerations are the durango or tahoe.
 
For some reason, wifey won't consider US car makers at this point, and my basic knowledge about Dodge is zero -

and the Dart will never pass wife's "sedate/clean/normal" exterior look test - it's pretty hideous in the front, IMO. and not to mention gaudy red rings/accents around all the dash pieces - Ugh! whose idea was that? !!!)

for now, we'll concentrate on Euro/Japanese I think. (although I know that the US-Passat is separate from the euro-passat...it still has German 'DNA' as reviews mention...)

As for the Impreza, As I mentioned, we're looking at the mid-range offerings from each maker. So if it's a Subaru, it will be the Legacy, not the impreza.

(This might be true that the lowest/base models of most Auto makers are cheaply built when compared to their mid/high end models, but I have seen many reviews illustrating this fact especially in the Jetta and the Impreza than any other brand - In the Jetta, the ultra-cheap interior and dash/switch gear - i saw and felt this personally during a test drive for a friend; The interior / dash and switches etc are about 10x better material and better put together in wife's current 2003 Elantra econo-box)

In the Impreza, pretty much the same things being reported but also paint quality; and you can NOT get at least a power driver's seat even if you got the most expensive Impreza one can buy)
 
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