2019 RAM 1500 Sport update - 140,000km

OVERKILL

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Truck suddenly developed a misfire on Tuesday. Told the wife to drive it up to the dealership and get it checked (I was at work, she texted me that the CEL was on), misfire on Cylinder #5, but code was about to self clear, so they cleared it and sent her on her way. Wednesday, it was back, then it cleared. I texted the SM, he booked it in for Thursday, I dropped it off, it was bucking pretty hard under low RPM, high load, cleared up when you got the rev's up, reminded me of our old Expedition when a coil was packing it in.

I got the Wagoneer S EV loaner, wife didn't want to drive it (she thinks it's ugly), so she drove the SRT.

Got a call this AM, it was a coil pack. Plugs were due in 20,000km (160,000km), they asked if I wanted to do them, I said sure, so ~$1,200 after taxes out the door for 16 plugs, labour and a new coil pack (does both plugs) for #5.

I asked to see the parts, there was some green goblin on the bottom of the boot of the lower plug. Plugs all looked fantastic:

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Could definitely have gone MUCH longer. Oh well, they've been changed now.

I was planning on doing the plugs myself in the summer, but Iooks like that won't be happening now. Still have to change the T-case fluid and the front diff (rear has been done a few times now due to the bearing issue, lol).
 
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It’s nice to be able to afford it, but I would have passed out at having to pay $1200 Canadian ($880 USD) to change plugs and 1 coil pack.
I used to be like that. Turning 70 next week, I feel content to have choices, one being able to choose/afford paying someone else do something. It DOES take a bit of effort to shift gears when one is accustomed to being self sufficient. A nice problem to have. Baby steps.

LOL a bit. The underlying reason Overkill wanted a quick remedy lies in his comment "I got the Wagoneer S EV loaner, wife didn't want to drive it (she thinks it's ugly)". Any real man admits who wears the pants in the family. ;) All's well that ends well.
 
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It’s nice to be able to afford it, but I would have passed out at having to pay $1200 Canadian ($880 USD) to change plugs and 1 coil pack.

Yeah I mean at retail parts price for one name brand coil and 16x NGK spark plugs you're looking at $350 after tax. Then add $200 for diagnostic. So that's only $330 for labor to install 16 spark plugs? That's not too bad at all, and like someone else said, you get a nice loaner in the meantime.
 
@SatinSilver @doitmyself @dogememe

Yes, I’m not questioning his paying it at all. I know he’s capable of diagnosing it and doing the work.

My comment was from the perspective of someone who would rather do it DIY and save a good chunk of change.
Life doesn’t offer that option sometimes.
It doesn’t change the fact that I would want to throw up and pass out for having to pay that much for a simple diagnosis. An ignition coil? That’s easy to find if it’s the real culprit. (Hopefully, the P0305 doesn’t come back. 🤔)

My original post was not a jab at him at all. (Let’s just be clear on that.)
 
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It’s nice to be able to afford it, but I would have passed out at having to pay $1200 Canadian ($880 USD) to change plugs and 1 coil pack.
For sure.
But it's all relative.
It could just be another day at the office for @OVERKILL moneywise.
Sometimes tackling a job like that is a PITA but rewarding to DIY.
Other times it could be freezing temps, bad timing, or whatever and you just want to eliminate the problem.
The go forward at that point is pay the piper and move on. Been there done that.
 
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Truck suddenly developed a misfire on Tuesday. Told the wife to drive it up to the dealership and get it checked (I was at work, she texted me that the CEL was on), misfire on Cylinder #5, but code was about to self clear, so they cleared it and sent her on her way. Wednesday, it was back, then it cleared. I texted the SM, he booked it in for Thursday, I dropped it off, it was bucking pretty hard under low RPM, high load, cleared up when you got the rev's up, reminded me of our old Expedition when a coil was packing it in.

I got the Wagoneer S EV loaner, wife didn't want to drive it (she thinks it's ugly), so she drove the SRT.

Got a call this AM, it was a coil pack. Plugs were due in 20,000km (160,000km), they asked if I wanted to do them, I said sure, so ~$1,200 after taxes out the door for 16 plugs, labour and a new coil pack (does both plugs) for #5.

I asked to see the parts, there was some green goblin on the bottom of the boot of the lower plug. Plugs all looked fantastic:

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Could definitely have gone MUCH longer. Oh well, they've been changed now.

I was planning on doing the plugs myself in the summer, but Iooks like that won't be happening now. Still have to change the T-case fluid and the front diff (rear has been done a few times now due to the bearing issue, lol).
What's going on with that ground electrode? Looking chalky white.
 
For sure.
But it's all relative.
It could just be another day at the office for @OVERKILL moneywise.
Sometimes tackling a job like that is a PITA but rewarding to DIY.
Other times it could be freezing temps, bad timing, or whatever and you just want to eliminate the problem.
The go forward at that point is pay the piper and move on. Been there done that.
We still have a LOT of snow, it's February, and yeah, I wasn't thrilled about the idea of working on it in the driveway in this weather. I could have bugged my buddy who runs the bus shop and probably taken it out there, but to what end? I'd have to buy the coil, hope it wasn't an injector (@The Critic had told me that injector failure wasn't super uncommon when I told him about the development) and would have had to have tried to make time for this during the work week, which was a busy one.

So yeah, this is one of those instances when opting to pay my dealer, who takes care of us, we don't get hosed, they are always fair, was a bit of a no-brainer.
 
@SatinSilver @doitmyself @dogememe

Yes, I’m not questioning his paying it at all. I know he’s capable of diagnosing it and doing the work.

My comment was from the perspective of someone who would rather do it DIY and save a good chunk of change.
Life doesn’t offer that option sometimes.
It doesn’t change the fact that I would want to throw up and pass out for having to pay that much for a simple diagnosis. An ignition coil? That’s easy to find if it’s the real culprit. (Hopefully, the P0305 doesn’t come back. 🤔)

My original post was not a jab at him at all. (Let’s just be clear on that.)
Have to remember, these are Canadian pesos, so that's about $879 USD, the bulk of it parts.

I drove it after the service, was nice and smooth, bucking was gone, and then my wife, who seems to moonlight as the personal chauffeur for my daughter, proceeded to put 200km on it last night to go pick-up an armoire, and when queried upon her return, she confirmed that it had stopped "jumping" (her version of bucking) and no CEL had returned.

Sooooo, touch-wood, I think we are good. I was a bit surprised at the green on the one boot, but the tech wasn't, so I'm guessing that's not rare.

I am very pleased at the condition of the plugs though, they look fantastic, which tells me that the engine is healthy and my wife's driving, which, if I'm being kind, can only be described as "enthusiastic", has not had a negative impact.
 
My original post was not a jab at him at all. (Let’s just be clear on that.)
I think we all realized that and thanks for the follow up. Sometimes we shadetree mechanics need to remind ourselves of the costs to run an auto repair business: constant tech training, lots of overhead - insurance, rent, labor, licensing/certifications/regulations/tools........ on and on.

We all need fainting spell training. Yikes! - I'm just recovering from $600 for 2 workplace greenhouse temperature sensors with $75 shipping fee (really?). Sometimes companies just have a stranglehold on our gonads.
 
I think we all realized that and thanks for the follow up. Sometimes we shadetree mechanics need to remind ourselves of the costs to run an auto repair business: constant tech training, lots of overhead - insurance, rent, labor, licensing/certifications/regulations/tools........ on and on.
Spot on. I didn't work for free and don't expect anyone else to. I tell Dave (the owner), "What am I supposed to do if you guys close up shop?" I actually get miffed when I hear a customer nickel-and-diming them about the bill. I prefer, "Thank you for your great service."
 
Have to remember, these are Canadian pesos, so that's about $879 USD, the bulk of it parts.

I drove it after the service, was nice and smooth, bucking was gone, and then my wife, who seems to moonlight as the personal chauffeur for my daughter, proceeded to put 200km on it last night to go pick-up an armoire, and when queried upon her return, she confirmed that it had stopped "jumping" (her version of bucking) and no CEL had returned.

Sooooo, touch-wood, I think we are good. I was a bit surprised at the green on the one boot, but the tech wasn't, so I'm guessing that's not rare.

I am very pleased at the condition of the plugs though, they look fantastic, which tells me that the engine is healthy and my wife's driving, which, if I'm being kind, can only be described as "enthusiastic", has not had a negative impact.

I suppose I'm looking at it the wrong way.
My 5.7 came with copper plugs, so that's what goes back into it. (They're cheaper)
I also have a garage, and I've done so many plug changes on these engines that I can knock it out quickly. The E-Torque-equipped Hemi is a bit more work, though. (Thankfully, yours doesn't have that.)

I think some here took my post the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with the charges; I just prefer doing it myself, as long as time and circumstances allow it. If I have to pay, I can't help but think how much I could save doing it myself. I'm just wired that way.

Anyway, I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way. No offense intended. 🍻
 
I suppose I'm looking at it the wrong way.
My 5.7 came with copper plugs, so that's what goes back into it. (They're cheaper)
I also have a garage, and I've done so many plug changes on these engines that I can knock it out quickly. The E-Torque-equipped Hemi is a bit more work, though. (Thankfully, yours doesn't have that.)

I think some here took my post the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with the charges; I just prefer doing it myself, as long as time and circumstances allow it. If I have to pay, I can't help but think how much I could save doing it myself. I'm just wired that way.

Anyway, I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way. No offense intended. 🍻
Nope, I took your post as value-conscious. My garage is more of a "carriage house" and the truck wouldn't fit in it anyway if it wasn't stuff full of ATV's and lawn equipment, which means, when it's this time of year, stuff that I'd maybe like to do myself, are more logically done by someone else as long as the price is reasonable, which, in this case, I would confidently say was the case.
 
What a coincidence, my 2019 big horn just rolled over 140k km as well. Still on original plugs/coils, engine runs better than it did brand new.

Only repairs I've done out of warranty is broken driver side manifold (replaced both left/right sides with BD Diesel kit). Had some issues with noisy brakes and got that fixed locally as dealer was useless.

And leaky back window fixed under warranty. That seemed to affect many first and second year 5th gen trucks but possibly later models as well.

Still on original battery. No ETorque.

I've done my own maintenance on engine oil + diffs and tcase, but not transmission because, well, it's a complicated beast requiring exact temps and level floors etc. It's got to be done this spring but not looking forward to it.

Here is to another 150k KMs 🍻
 
Sometimes it’s just nice to not have to think or do, just get it handled.
Totally concur with your theory.

The issue is, when you pay $800 USD to solve a issue that you could have done yourself, and the CEL comes back on for cylinder #5 a few days after departing the dealership.

The $800 isn't the issue. The issue is was the problem actually resolved, and did the technician perform the repairs/ maintenance to standard.

I am very willing to pay a technician/ service person to diagnose and fix a problem, be it automotive, plumbing, etc. My observations of the late have been the technician/ service person often doesn't diagnose the problem (parts cannon), and/ or doesn't perform the service to standard (takes short cuts- yet was asked to perform the work to standard and I am very willing to pay full price).

I have an oil leak on a 2004 Lincoln Navigator with a 5.4L 32V (rare engine). I don't have a lift, so I am taking the Navigator 540 miles to have the leak diagnosed and serviced. Not a misprint, 540 miles. This involves renting a car trailer, towing the Navigator to the shop, a overnight hotel, and after service, do the same to pick up the Navigator. Crazy, but my experience is it is near impossible to get a service like this at an OEM dealer, or even a local shop- with confidence.

It's not always the money on why we do it ourselves, it is the reality of others not always doing the job to standard, and the risk is higher than the reward of not performing the service ourselves.
 
This is where this forum can be like the Twilight Zone. I find it totally unbelievable that GON is not passing a dozen shops highly rated and more than competent to fix an oil leak on a 20 year old vehicle in that 540 miles...............
But he is right about one thing, Dealers don't want to work on something 20 years old.

In the last couple of years on my home-I have a had new roof, new windows, remolded two bathrooms, one of which required some fabrication (putting a door and a wall where there wasn't one) and did not have to make one single call for something that wasn't done right the first time. But then again I did my homework with the neighborhood Facebook pages, yelp, and other sites to find the right people/companies.

I suspect traveling a lot doesn't give you a lot of local connections, as to whom you want to trust.
 
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