Late model old tech

[AZjeff]

With all the hand wringing about AFM, GDI, CVTs, small displacement turbos, EVs, hybrids, 9 speed trannys, and every other latest technology are there many current models that would be considered "traditional" technology without any of these loathsome features? Since I've been looking at trucks lately it seems that the Frontier and Titan fall in this group. What are some other current old tech vehicles, say 2015 up?

 

[supton]

Tundra also--no start/stop, AFM, DI, etc. 6AT last I knew of too. It's main weakness is DOHC and while that's not a real problem, the cam tower sealing is (high leakage rate). Along with the typical Toyota problems (rust, water pumps, rust, steering racks, rust, front diff and rust). Sealed automatic too, and at some point they ditched the ATF cooler apparently (there's a recent thread on the topic).

 

[Alfred_B]

Mitsubishi Mirage

 

[The Critic]

4Runner

 

[slacktide_bitog]

The Yaris hatchback qualifies. I think the rebadged Mazda2 called Yaris sedan is also non-DI

The manual Spark is non-DI, but the auto is a CVT.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by Alfred_B
Mitsubishi Mirage

Forgot about that car--for 2019 it comes standard with cruise on the base model that has manual transmission! The automatic is a CVT, and from what I can tell on its forum, despite being powered by gerbils, still suffers from CVT issues.

Although it is a bit high tech--that 74hp 1.2L I3 has rollers on the camshaft, instead of on the cam followers. Weird tech at that!

 

[pezzy669]

2015 VW Jetta S - 2016 was the switchover to the 1.4T.

2.0L, 8 valve, SOHC, no-VVT, spark plug wires (!!!). 115HP and 122 lb/ft torque, traditional 6 speed AT or 5 speed manual. Released ~1992 and made it to 2015 with minor improvements over its 23 some odd year run. Power output pretty much sat at 115 HP and 122-125 lb/ft torque the entire time. Considered bulletproof.

 

[old1]

Originally Posted by AZjeff
With all the hand wringing about AFM, GDI, CVTs, small displacement turbos, EVs, hybrids, 9 speed trannys, and every other latest technology are there many current models that would be considered "traditional" technology without any of these loathsome features? Since I've been looking at trucks lately it seems that the Frontier and Titan fall in this group. What are some other current old tech vehicles, say 2015 up?




That is why (among other things ) I bought my 2017 Frontier. Yes it gets lousy gas mileage, but I only drive about 6000 miles a year, so not a big deal.

 

[bdcardinal]

The Chevy SS was about as close as possible in a sedan. A 6.2L V8 with either a 6 speed auto or a 6 speed manual.

 

[maxdustington]

Originally Posted by pezzy669
2015 VW Jetta S - 2016 was the switchover to the 1.4T.

2.0L, 8 valve, SOHC, no-VVT, spark plug wires (!!!). 115HP and 122 lb/ft torque, traditional 6 speed AT or 5 speed manual. Released ~1992 and made it to 2015 with minor improvements over its 23 some odd year run. Power output pretty much sat at 115 HP and 122-125 lb/ft torque the entire time. Considered bulletproof.
I want one of those Jetta S 2.slow badly. I'm pretty sure the 2.0 is based on the 1.8 16V but with a different head, so it almost made it 30 years. VW SBC!

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Originally Posted by The Critic
4Runner


Exactly why my next vehicle will be this generation's.........ultra reliable and low-tech.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted by AZjeff
With all the hand wringing about AFM, GDI, CVTs, small displacement turbos, EVs, hybrids, 9 speed trannys, and every other latest technology are there many current models that would be considered "traditional" technology without any of these loathsome features? Since I've been looking at trucks lately it seems that the Frontier and Titan fall in this group. What are some other current old tech vehicles, say 2015 up?



"New Tech" on BITOG gets "hand wringing" whether it justified or not.

My Silverado 1500-Crew Cab 4WD gets much better mpg that the Frontier-and it's far more capable. It (new tech) is not always a bad thing.

 

[AZjeff]

Originally Posted by CKN
Originally Posted by AZjeff
With all the hand wringing about AFM, GDI, CVTs, small displacement turbos, EVs, hybrids, 9 speed trannys, and every other latest technology are there many current models that would be considered "traditional" technology without any of these loathsome features? Since I've been looking at trucks lately it seems that the Frontier and Titan fall in this group. What are some other current old tech vehicles, say 2015 up?



"New Tech" on BITOG gets "hand wringing" whether it justified or not.

My Silverado 1500-Crew Cab 4WD gets much better mpg that the Frontier-and it's far more capable. It (new tech) is not always a bad thing.



Same with my '16 4.3 Ecotec3 with it's AFM and GDI. It seems GM might have the bugs worked out of the '17 up trucks, I've seen 1 report of lifters failing in the truck forums. Still, with no AFM collapsing lifter can't fail.

 

[Cujet]

It's an interesting discussion. But I'm not at all sure old (previous Gen) tech is better in any way.

 

[demarpaint]

My 2016 Rubicon, new old tech. I love it. Especially the 3.6L Pentastar and NAG1 transmission.

 

[Andrew1972]

2014 VW Passat 2.5 5 cylinder.

 

[Andrew1972]

Jeep Wrangler

 

[Skippy722]

Other than the very nice 8 speed and 8.4" uconnect, my 300 is relatively basic. I do have BSM and parking sensors, but I could live without them. The engine is mounted as God intended with a pretty decent amount of room to work on it if need be, and driving the proper wheels.

Van is even more basic... same engine, just mounted sideways driving the front wheels. No parking sensors or anything like that. It's still got a belt driven hydraulic power steering system!

 

[csandste]

Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
The Yaris hatchback qualifies. I think the rebadged Mazda2 called Yaris sedan is also non-DI

The manual Spark is non-DI, but the auto is a CVT.

The 20 Yaris hatch is also a Mazda 2.

 

[JLTD]

Originally Posted by The Critic
4Runner


Yes.

Real 4wd, not some AWD system biased to the fronts.

10 year old (sic) super reliable engine design, plan on 400k+ miles

"Antiquated" 5 speed transmission - bulletproof and used to be put behind V8s.

Body on frame.

Give me bone stock, long term reliability over fancy electronics any day.