Kudos to Honda

[brianl703]

Originally Posted By: BrianWC
GM did a recall on the SAAB direct ignition cassettes only after legal action by people having their car's DI cassette erupt in a cloud of thick black smoke while driving down the highway.


Honda never did a recall on their ignitors, as far as I'm aware.

As far as Saab goes, I've heard of people getting after-warranty adjustments, which is what the person who had their AC clutch replaced got. (Honda may have a different term for it...after-warranty adjustment is what I've heard it called).

 

[AcuraTech]

I love how this always turns into a [censored] match about how "well if the car wasn't a POS in the first place it wouldn't matter" The thing is ALL manufacturers have made their fair share of cars with repetitive large scale issues. Honda transmissions, Toyota sludgers, Ford Head Gaskets, Chrysler transmissions, GM piston slap, etc.

The bottom line is that the manufacturer is under no obligation whatsoever to help you out with replacement cost after the warranty expires.

Personal experience is that Acura does a LOT of "goodwill warranty" after the factory warranty expires. Mainly with transmissions. A lot of times they'll pay parts, customer pays labor, or else cover a certain percentage, like 50 or 75.

Which is probably the way it should be, since Honda made some pretty awful transmissions from 2000-2003. Although I think they've been more than accommodating with warranty extensions, etc. A lot of companies will tell you to pound sand once the warranty is up.

Getting things "good-willed" depends on mileage, service history, etc.

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
GM did a recall on the SAAB direct ignition cassettes only after legal action by people having their car's DI cassette erupt in a cloud of thick black smoke while driving down the highway.


Honda never did a recall on their ignitors, as far as I'm aware.

As far as Saab goes, I've heard of people getting after-warranty adjustments, which is what the person who had their AC clutch replaced got. (Honda may have a different term for it...after-warranty adjustment is what I've heard it called).



And I've heard of plenty of people getting zilch, retaining lawyers and still getting zilch. As for the "ignitors," the problem was not mechanical, merely the folks on the Honda assembly line not lubing the oil filter gasket before putting it on. Honda owned up to it and compensated victims. GM still refuses to even ADMIT that the 9-5 has a sludge problem after offering an 8 year unlimited miles warranty on the engine and providing a TSB to dealers on how to clean sludged 9-3 and 9-5 engines. Feel free to come browse the threads over at saabcentral, where I mod, to see if I am making this up.

 

[brianl703]

Originally Posted By: BrianWC

And I've heard of plenty of people getting zilch, retaining lawyers and still getting zilch.


Something that apparently happens with all makes.

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As for the "ignitors," the problem was not mechanical, merely the folks on the Honda assembly line not lubing the oil filter gasket before putting it on. Honda owned up to it and compensated victims.


I'm not using the term "ignitor" to refer to the self-combusting vehicles, but the ignition module so prone to failure in some Honda models, particularly in the early 90s. (Honda calls it an ignitor, the parts catalogs call it an ignitor). It seems to be the same type of problem that Ford had with their TFI-IV ignition module, with the same results: Car won't start or coasts to a stop.

I'll take a wild guess that you've heard more about Ford's TFI-IV problem than you have about Honda's ignitor problem.


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GM still refuses to even ADMIT that the 9-5 has a sludge problem after offering an 8 year unlimited miles warranty on the engine


Didn't they make a redesigned PVC setup for that engine to solve the problem?

 

[BrianWC]

Lol, I thought it was a slap at the early 2 gen models that toasted.

I can't speak for Honda in the early 90's. I was driving a 1982 320i at the time. Dang I wish I had another....


As for the SAAB sludge issue, yes, SAAB redesigned the PCV system in 2003 and again in 2004 and made 5 different revisions of a retrofit kit for the 2003 and earlier cars. But, silly you for thinking logically.

All those PCV fixes were ONLY because the excess pressure was causing a leak from the union between the block, cylinder head, and timing cover.

 

[milwaukee]

Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Honda is the most overrated car company in the world IMO. Boring cars with a rabid advocacy group, owners.


Have you owned Honda products?

The advocacy group thing sure seems to be true. I didn't think we'd ever own (lease) one until we picked up our Odyssey. After having clocked lots-o miles in Ford, Chrysler and GM minivans, none of them can come close to matching the Odyssey in terms of comfort, power, layout, storage, looks... the list goes on. They might need Velcro to hold the transaxles in place (for ease of 'access'), but it's worth the risk.

Joel

Yes I have. Two Civic's and one accord. That is three for me. How many have you had again?

My original statement stands.

 

[JTK]

Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Yes I have. Two Civic's and one accord. That is three for me. How many have you had again?

My original statement stands.


So you're attracted to boring, overrated cars with rabid advocacy groups? What's a BITOG'er to do.

Joel

 

[BrianWC]

The cars are boring b/c they just work. No surprise "Ah, this isn't going to work today!" I freely admit I am NOT attracted to the way Honda does performance. But the way they do quality works for me. The wife drives the boring car so I don't have to worry about it while I wrench and agonize over the SAAB. Of course, minus constant fretting over sludge, the 9-5 has been fairly reliable as well.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Honda is the most overrated car company in the world IMO. Boring cars with a rabid advocacy group, owners.

I've owned two Civic's and one accord. That is three for me. How many have you had again?

My original statement stands.


Your statment "stands" but is somewhat contradictory. Uhh, if the first car was so "overrated" why did you buy two more???

 

[brianl703]

Me personally, I've eaten at McDonald's more than once...

 

[milwaukee]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Honda is the most overrated car company in the world IMO. Boring cars with a rabid advocacy group, owners.

I've owned two Civic's and one accord. That is three for me. How many have you had again?

My original statement stands.


Your statment "stands" but is somewhat contradictory. Uhh, if the first car was so "overrated" why did you buy two more???


I bought one civic used to use as a commuter. The other civic and the accord were given to me by a relative when she bought a new car.

They are all three overrated. No better than any other econoboxes I have owned.

 

[Audi Junkie]

I don't consider my Accord an "econobox", but ok. Sticker was $26k

 

[ThirdeYe]

Nor do I consider my Acura (Honda) boring... different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[Dave Hess]

A Honda is meant to get from point A to point B without trying to impress. Of course Hondas are boring.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Yeah, it's not like Honda makes F1 or Lemans Prototypes or even successfull Street Tuners.

 

[ThirdeYe]

The Honda S2000, Acura NSX and the Integra Type-R sure are boring.

 

[AcuraTech]

Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
The Honda S2000, Acura NSX and the Integra Type-R sure are boring.

Point well taken. But those cars are long in the tooth. The Acura NSX debuted in 1991 as a world class supercar, but was little changed for 15 years and left to die. The Integra Type-R was little more than a mildly souped up commuter car that traces its origins to the early 90's. The S2000 was a great little car, but it's now found itself on the side of a milk carton (aka missing).

Honda was on a hot streak in the 90's, no doubt. Since then they've puttered and sputtered. Sure they make some great daily commuters, and they've also made great inroads in the racing circuits. But they haven't made a decent hot rod for 10 years. Personally I'd like to know where the excitement went. The Acura NSX was the coolest daily driver sports car in the world for quite awhile. Now what does Acura have? A bunch of boring overpriced suburban-mobiles.

If I had cash to burn, and was looking to buy a sports car, I'd be down at the Chevy dealership looking at a new Corvette.

 

[d00df00d]

Do you define excitement by straight-line speed? I disagree strongly with most of what you said, but if that's the case I can see where you're coming from.

 

[1sttruck]

One observation on vehicle use...... our 93 Taurus lasted 210k miles before the transmission went on it. It was the stereotypical crummy car (one did need to provide a regular sacrifical offering of parts to Dearborn on a regular basis after about 70k miles), compared to the ultra-reliable cars from say Honda that didn't have serious problems like transmission failures (not - a coworkers Acura transmission went at 35k miles). It was our primary family vehicle, used for things like vacation with 5 to 6 people in it (we bought Taurii because they had bench seats), a full trunk and a car carrier. Noticing it at the time and thinking back, I don't recall seeing an Accord or Camry at a campground being used like that. Looking around one sees beater Hondas these days, in fact if I see a car blowing blue smoke it seems to be a Honda more than other makes (our Civic did that and was one reason why we donated it at 120k miles), but newer ones just don't seem to get the abuse that domestic vehicles seem to get.

 

[ThirdeYe]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Do you define excitement by straight-line speed? I disagree strongly with most of what you said, but if that's the case I can see where you're coming from.


I define it as a balance between speed and handling abilities.