Know it alls who don't know jack.

[VNTS]

You waste time quizzing salesman??? WTH

All I can think of is the two removed Joe Isuzu and Toyota's Dweeb Squire jumping up and down like an idiot with the baloons.

I bypass salesmen, go to fleet manager, get price for cash deal no trade. I know what car I want and dont need the "go ahead" from people at CR or Edmunds. Most of those types dont have a clue about cars and want to pontify their choices I guess to justify their purchase. They will argue all day long about gas mileage, creaks and rattles, poor dealer service and how smart they car when negotiate.


Originally Posted By: Schmoe
What I really enjoy is reading up on, say, a new model I'm interested in, like the Accords. Go to the dealership and "quiz" the sales guy. Ask him about timing belts or chains? HP of the engine, what kind of oil does it use and why...etc. etc. That way, if the guy knows his stuff, I'll believe him when he tells me things about the car that I didn't know. If not, look for another person. Learned that lesson the hard way....fresh out of college and looking to buy my first car. Slick sales guy, actually a retired Colonel from Fort Campbell KY and formerly my Dad's boss, told me that the defroster on the Cutlass Ciera I was looking at, didn't have to wait for the engine to warm up, it was electric. I thought that was cool and would come in handy.....NOT. It was standard heat from the engine as all other cars do.

 

[TMoto]

Originally Posted By: jstutz
I would hate not having my old pickup.

I miss my old pickup.
I don't miss everybody and their brother asking me to help them move or haul something.

Originally Posted By: Schmoe
What I really enjoy is reading up on, say, a new model I'm interested in, like the Accords. Go to the dealership and "quiz" the sales guy.

Really? How's that working for ya?

I've always thought I'd be a pretty good car salesman, but the problem is, most people don't care what's under the hood. Salesmen sell based on an emotional experience imho.

 

[Schmoe]

and a lot of times, it is emotional. But, finding a salesguy that's knowledgible and really knows the product, is what I'm wanting to find out. That way I can tell if he's on the same sheet of music with me and then later on, if I need help or something, I can ask him. Here's an example, I go to one Honda dealership in OKC and the same sales guy. This guy knows the cars and if he can't answer one of my questions, he just tells me and says he'll find out if I want. Well, two weeks ago, my 06 Accord started slinging grease from the axle bearing on the front passenger side. I noticed that when I was changing oil. I had 596500 miles on it and warranty runs out at 60K. I live about 45 miles from this dealership and then work another 45 miles from them. Brought the car in, they said yep, it's the bearing, don't have one in stock but will be here tomorrow. Option would be to take a day off work and go up there tomorrow, or leave it, but how would I get home? Saw my sales guy and he recognized me, and told him I'm in a jam and need a favor, need something to drive home and come back tomorrow after work. He said give him a minute. Came back with keys to a trade in they just got and said take this, don't worry about the gas or anything, just bring it back tomorrow when you get off work. Sweet. I didn't have any kind of rental agreement with any of the Honda's I bought from him or any other "loaner" coverage. I ask you, would your sales guy do the same???? Of course, buying 3 brand new Honda's from the same dealership didn't hurt, but they are not obliged at all to do that and I had to do was talk to my sales guy.

 

[TMoto]

Originally Posted By: Schmoe
finding a salesguy that's knowledgible and really knows the product, is what I'm wanting to find out.
[snip]
Of course, buying 3 brand new Honda's from the same dealership didn't hurt, but they are not obliged at all to do that and I had to do was talk to my sales guy.

Okay, building a relationship with someone is one thing. I thought you were randomly going out to various dealerships to quiz them of their knowledge. To me that was lolworthy.

 

[M1Accord]

Originally Posted By: TMoto
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
finding a salesguy that's knowledgible and really knows the product, is what I'm wanting to find out.
[snip]
Of course, buying 3 brand new Honda's from the same dealership didn't hurt, but they are not obliged at all to do that and I had to do was talk to my sales guy.

Okay, building a relationship with someone is one thing. I thought you were randomly going out to various dealerships to quiz them of their knowledge. To me that was lolworthy.


However way it does it, it is still wrong because salemen are there to make a living, not to be answering questions for hot shots BITOG members. The time it takes to answer questions or chat with a non-customer could be spent dealing with someone that will buy a car. People got to stop wasting other people time.

I got people coming to my place of business and ask questions, try samples, and then just not buy. Their reason is they should stay away from bread product. These fat cows need to stay away from society period. They have no issue eating bread samples while feeling they should stay away from bread products. These are the same lazy fatsos that would eat at fast food joints and be obese beyond imagination. Ever wonder why the majority of people on diets are fat people while normal healthy people don't need to waste time and money to be on diet. Control what you eat and do some exercise.

 

[bigmike]

I can't believe I wasted my time reading that fat people rant.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: M1Accord


However way it does it, it is still wrong because salemen are there to make a living, not to be answering questions for hot shots BITOG members. The time it takes to answer questions or chat with a non-customer could be spent dealing with someone that will buy a car. People got to stop wasting other people time.

I got people coming to my place of business and ask questions, try samples, and then just not buy. Their reason is they should stay away from bread product. These fat cows need to stay away from society period. They have no issue eating bread samples while feeling they should stay away from bread products. These are the same lazy fatsos that would eat at fast food joints and be obese beyond imagination. Ever wonder why the majority of people on diets are fat people while normal healthy people don't need to waste time and money to be on diet. Control what you eat and do some exercise.


I'd say you were better suited to a business that isn't involved with the public.

As someone who sold cars, long ago in a previous youth. I can tell you without question, you can never tell the buyers from the gawkers. People ready and able to sign on the bottom line don't walk into ANY establishment with a sign on their heads that says "Im ready to buy, not waste your time" As such, I can tell you the most succesfull salesman are the ones who can be friendly and helpful while learning for themselves where that potential "mark" stands. Strong product knowledge is a common trait for those salesman who really are there to serve you, rather than just "move some metal" and collect a check.

FTR, I still work in and around a couple of different "service" industries. And there isn't a day that goes by that I dont have to bite my tongue...it's part of doing business. If you point out to every idiot you meet just how dumb they are, you'll soon find yourself with no idiots buying your products. And trust me, idiots buy a LOT of goods.

 

[tonycarguy]

This thead had good potential but unfortunately most of the posts are way... too....

 

[timish]

Originally Posted By: Schmoe
I had 596500 miles on it .


Almost 600,000 miles!

Holy [censored]

 

[demarpaint]

I found there are lots of people in all walks of life that are "Book Smart", self proclaimed experts. When it comes to the hands on part they are clueless. I call them paper [censored].

 

[01rangerxl]

I went to Advance Auto Parts once to get brake parts for my old 2001 Ranger. I was getting everything, so I told the guy I needed pads, rotors, shoes, and drums for a 2001 Ranger with 4 wheel ABS, 11" rotors, and 9" drums. The genius at the counter says "it's not possible to have ABS with drum brakes unless they are doing something new I don't know about." This would mean that Ford has been "doing something new" for quite some time, as Rangers have had ABS available since 1986, and it was used on the rear drum brakes several years before 4 wheel ABS was offered. I just said something like "just give me the 9" drums." I probably should have walked out without buying anything.

 

[Tornado Red]

Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
If you're a cheapskate with an old Buick, you tend to become a "one-model expert" pretty quick! He he he

That's pretty much me and my Golf TDI.

Though I do know a little about other TDI models.

 

[silverrat]

There a couple of know it alls who don't know jack on this forum.

 

[ItsuMitsubishi]

Originally Posted By: silverrat
There a couple of know it alls who don't know jack on this forum.


That's how people treat me in my real life... since I could remember as a child! I make great efforts to only speak on things I'm extremely sure about, and that also forces me to actually know the subject intimately. (women and love are by far the toughest venture in that respect!) But when that happens, it often comes out speedy, direct, gushing and matter of fact - and regardless of the nature of the info, that turns some people way off. Oh well. For my benefit primarily, and whoever else, whatever.

LOL@that poor guy with his Celica. He must know that his car is above average on the reliability tip, but the problem is he doesn't know why, or how (alternator - obviously 'average'

) . That said him and many others think they and their mechanical equipment are invincible because they "hear about it"... pride always comes before the fall as they say.

What really shocks me about these guys is how absolutely sure of themselves they can make themselves feel, on such a small sample of information!! Super-irritating, and they're dime a dozen!!

 

[Kaboomba]

Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
If you're a cheapskate with an old Buick, you tend to become a "one-model expert" pretty quick! He he he

That's pretty much me and my Golf TDI.

Though I do know a little about other TDI models.


Other models: good point. I guess I do know a bit about other GM platforms that share common or similar drivetrains, etc. That's the benefit of having a super-common car like a Buick.

 

[pompadour]

i would say that i am a 2 car "expert". i had my '96 Nissan 200sx for 14 years and my '00 GMC Sierra 1500 for 10 years. i did all my own maintenance and repairs on both. sold them (and miss them) both this summer.

i am starting over at square one with my HHR. i have been reading everything i can on the ecotec websites and the HHR forum. the way i see it, it is easier to work on cars these days because you can find step by step directions online (with pictures) on how to do so many things. on top of that, and part stores willing to scan for codes for free and sometimes lend tools (with a deposit).

i am not a rich guy, but i have been an electrician for 16 years and am no stranger to turning wrenches.

 

[MC5W20]

Originally Posted By: VNTS
You waste time quizzing salesman??? WTH



I bypass salesmen, go to fleet manager, get price for cash deal no trade. I know what car I want and dont need the "go ahead" from people at CR or Edmunds. Most of those types dont have a clue about cars and want to pontify their choices I guess to justify their purchase. They will argue all day long about gas mileage, creaks and rattles, poor dealer service and how smart they car when negotiate.



Yes, someone finally gets it. I tell people all the time, your gonna spend a lot of time in that car for a lot of years. So, get what you want and what you like. Throw the CR or "auto mag" out in the trash heap. If it is quality or mechanical issues that you are worried about then buy the extended warranty, no car is problem free. I don't care what CR says, if you buy a car you are going to have a problem at some point and none of them are immune to it.