Junk entire car over Scratched Battery ?

Don’t forget about these,

AC charging electrics £2000 a piece some cars have 2.
Front drive motor electrics £2000
Rear drive motor electrics £2000
Motors run at £3000 each
Multiple other control units, charging connectors and cabling.

All prices are base parts only not a fitted price.

I had a Q5e come in a few weeks ago. Warning light on dash. A rodent of some sort had chewed through the high voltage cable shielding along with some of the engine wiring. Car was taken by the insurance company due to repair cost. Can only assume it was taken for repair somewhere with a lower labour rate however If it was my car I would be worried about the repair quality.
Motors are usually not a wear item, control units also don't usually wear out assuming you buy the car from a reputable company.

Same for gas engine, if you buy a complicated delicate car then anything even ECU can fail, but that's not the norm if you buy it from a reputable company.
 
You may be right, but there other schools of thought. If the future is electric, at least for many vehicles, then car companies believe they have to catch the leader. Tesla is 5 to 10 years ahead in both EV technology and manufacturing with their new factories.
They will not sit around and allow slow moving companies to catch up. Right now, no other company even makes a profit on their EV business unit.
But who knows? Business can be funny...
Well Mercedes Benz is already offering a level 3 certification on driver assist in Nevada and should be certified for California. VW is rolling out a $25,000 ev (not sure how) this year. Tesla engineers have been yanked over to Twitter to try to fix the dumpster fire that it is. You keep stating that Tesla is so far ahead (for how long). Just about every crackpot idea recently has been musks idea. The "yoke" the Tesla store is sold out of steering wheels it is so bad. Engineers at Tesla tried to explain to the Musketeer that removing radar was stupid ah but the big giant head thought otherwise. Engineers saw an increase in accidents after the supposedly "intelligent cameras" took over. Face it the head engineer of Tesla's fsd and autopilot have jumped ship as have many of their other top talent. Elon has run his course, he will be the downfall of the company. In 1979 Atari owned 79% of the home console market. Where are they now?
 
Well Mercedes Benz is already offering a level 3 certification on driver assist in Nevada and should be certified for California. VW is rolling out a $25,000 ev (not sure how) this year. Tesla engineers have been yanked over to Twitter to try to fix the dumpster fire that it is. You keep stating that Tesla is so far ahead (for how long). Just about every crackpot idea recently has been musks idea. The "yoke" the Tesla store is sold out of steering wheels it is so bad. Engineers at Tesla tried to explain to the Musketeer that removing radar was stupid ah but the big giant head thought otherwise. Engineers saw an increase in accidents after the supposedly "intelligent cameras" took over. Face it the head engineer of Tesla's fsd and autopilot have jumped ship as have many of their other top talent. Elon has run his course, he will be the downfall of the company. In 1979 Atari owned 79% of the home console market. Where are they now?
Tesla will sell more cars in the US in Q1 than MBZ and BMW combined.
You seem to hate Musk and Tesla; that's your business. But you sure ignore their success based on the way they are run. Every analyst will tell you the biggest risk to Tesla going forward is the loss of their CEO.
 
Motors are usually not a wear item, control units also don't usually wear out assuming you buy the car from a reputable company.

Same for gas engine, if you buy a complicated delicate car then anything even ECU can fail, but that's not the norm if you buy it from a reputable company.
You are correct, however that doesn’t stop them from failing and requiring replacement.
 
That's true, but I think it is misleading. At that time, only the very rich could afford a car. There were no gas stations. Cars were built by hand by a small group of workers. And roads were for horses.
Then Henry decided to build his assembly line in Highland; heck he even introduced interchangable parts into wide use!
He did even better than that. A series called the cars that made America showed that the big reason cars weren't taking off en mass was due to reliability. They were fast as everyone who built a car showed off its performance. Henry Ford had some investors come out and see his comparison to the Winton motor car. Winton was the largest seller of vehicles with 15 or more a year at $2,000 a piece. The Winton jumped to the lead, but after an hour a wiring harness shorted ending his lead while Ford continued to drive on.
 
Tesla will sell more cars in the US in Q1 than MBZ and BMW combined.
You seem to hate Musk and Tesla; that's your business. But you sure ignore their success based on the way they are run. Every analyst will tell you the biggest risk to Tesla going forward is the loss of their CEO.
According to Barron's and Forbes

Tesla Investors Want More Than Elon Musk. They’re Asking for a New CEO.​

And many analysts are saying the opposite that you claim.
"But as Mr. Musk has become consumed with Twitter, Tesla is facing a range of threats to its business, and its stock price has been plunging. Some corporate governance experts say Tesla’s board needs to ensure that the company has a chief who is not distracted.

“They’re violating their fiduciary responsibility if they don’t address that issue head-on,” said William Klepper, a professor of management at Columbia Business School."
 
That doesn't stop ICE engine and transmission, ECU etc from failing on gas car either. Solution: buy reliable and affordable models.
Here are some other questions to consider:

1) Are automakers obligated to produce "solutions" that are reliable and affordable? Who sets the definition of "affordable?"

2) Is the typical new-car buyer only interested in the lower TCO option for 0-250K? Or is this a case of BITOGers (who generally do not represent the typical buyer) telling people what their transportation goals should be?
 
That doesn't stop ICE engine and transmission, ECU etc from failing on gas car either. Solution: buy reliable and affordable models.
VAG uses a engine ECU in their electric vehicles as a master for the two drive motors.

What I’m trying to get at is there are numerous expensive parts on a electric vehicle that makes them, at this moment in time, far more expensive than a ICE to repair.

Also ICE ECU are far more reliable than BEV currently.
 
By 1912, 40% of vehicles in the US were EVs. Its not new, people are just ignorant.
Once the electric starter showed up, steam and battery vehicles dissapeared fairly rapidly. Look at Porsche's pdk gearbox. Ed Bolian and a few others said years ago once it (PDK) became available that Porsche would go from 80-90% manual transmission sales to 25-30% and that's exactly what happened. It shares alot of components with the 7spd manual transmission which reduces cost but can shift ultra quick. It still has a clutch connected to the engine unlike a torque converter and can be driven in automatic or manual mode.
 
Here are some other questions to consider:

1) Are automakers obligated to produce "solutions" that are reliable and affordable? Who sets the definition of "affordable?"

2) Is the typical new-car buyer only interested in the lower TCO option for 0-250K? Or is this a case of BITOGers (who generally do not represent the typical buyer) telling people what their transportation goals should be?

I’m not a fan of forced EV stuff. However I do think that EVs are a big part of the future. And I think people overstate prices of repair. Let’s take first gen Nissan Leaf. Yes they have crap batteries for a multitude of reasons. But $6K for a reman/new pack from the dealer is not any worse than a CVT replacement in a Sentra. And other than batteries they’ve historically been VERY reliable. No oil leaks, timing sets, catalytic converters, etc. that typically need to be replaced on a car with 250K miles.

As more and more EVs are on the road and junked for collision damage parts availability for used/reman other parts will increase. Yes, right now, it’s iffy. But it won’t always be like that.
 
Here are some other questions to consider:

1) Are automakers obligated to produce "solutions" that are reliable and affordable? Who sets the definition of "affordable?"

2) Is the typical new-car buyer only interested in the lower TCO option for 0-250K? Or is this a case of BITOGers (who generally do not represent the typical buyer) telling people what their transportation goals should be?
1) It is not
2) There is no typical, everyone is different.

So you can have someone assuming Tesla is bad so all EVs must be bad, then say EV is a bad idea, but ignore Mercedes / BMW / Audi being bad as well, while ignoring the reliability of Prius.
 
VAG uses a engine ECU in their electric vehicles as a master for the two drive motors.

What I’m trying to get at is there are numerous expensive parts on a electric vehicle that makes them, at this moment in time, far more expensive than a ICE to repair.

Also ICE ECU are far more reliable than BEV currently.
This is because VAG is trying to save R&D cost (and risk) by using extra parts to build an EV. It is a reasonable strategy and most would have no problem with that until the volume is larger.

By the time volume is larger they can probably just buy off the shelf motor controller from Bosch or Denso, so why take on the risk and R&D cost?

Regarding to "more reliable", you are talking about something that is because of early R&D problems of individual companies with no experience in reliability (I.e. Tesla storing logs on the same flash chip with the computer firmware and wearing them out at the same time), anyone with industrial work experience would know not to do it. This doesn't mean EV is unreliable, just Tesla sucks. Prius Prime has no problem with the whole drivetrain reliability regardless of the electric or the gas engine part. The only EV specific part of the drivetrain control is the high voltage inverter and battery management, neither are much more complicated than a hybrid which has been around since Prius time. Remember, plug in hybrid is just an EV with an extra engine attached.
 
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I’m not a fan of forced EV stuff. However I do think that EVs are a big part of the future. And I think people overstate prices of repair. Let’s take first gen Nissan Leaf. Yes they have crap batteries for a multitude of reasons. But $6K for a reman/new pack from the dealer is not any worse than a CVT replacement in a Sentra. And other than batteries they’ve historically been VERY reliable. No oil leaks, timing sets, catalytic converters, etc. that typically need to be replaced on a car with 250K miles.

As more and more EVs are on the road and junked for collision damage parts availability for used/reman other parts will increase. Yes, right now, it’s iffy. But it won’t always be like that.
I am not a fan of comparing bad apple (CVT) to bad orange (air cooled battery) and say which one is better than the other. The only conclusion I get from that comparison is Nissan isn't good with either.

If you are convinced that Gen2 Prius is the most reliable car ever build, better than Tesla, better than Corolla, you can assume that it is all about how you build it and a correctly build EV can be as good if not better than a hybrid (due to the complete elimination of the gas engine). It may not last as long without replacing the battery but, it can be reliable and the replacement cost and schedule predicted reliably.
 
I am not a fan of comparing bad apple (CVT) to bad orange (air cooled battery) and say which one is better than the other. The only conclusion I get from that comparison is Nissan isn't good with either.

If you are convinced that Gen2 Prius is the most reliable car ever build, better than Tesla, better than Corolla, you can assume that it is all about how you build it and a correctly build EV can be as good if not better than a hybrid (due to the complete elimination of the gas engine). It may not last as long without replacing the battery but, it can be reliable and the replacement cost and schedule predicted reliably.
Well we also have to define the failure.

A battery that simply degrades to lower range is not unusable. An outright failure that means it doesn’t go anywhere is a big problem.
 
Well we also have to define the failure.

A battery that simply degrades to lower range is not unusable. An outright failure that means it doesn’t go anywhere is a big problem.
Right, most would say the warranty claim limit (around 80% of original) is reasonable, but for older cars people may tolerate something like 60% or 40% if the price is right.
 
The truth.

Fill size trucks that use high-strength steel in their frame: Crease it and it needs a frame. No pulling, sectioning, or welding is acceptable. Creased frame = Replacement frame (and that's usually enough to write the whole thing off). Brad DeBerti just did a project on one of these on his YouTube channel. 3 week old 2023 Sierra HD Denali ($85,000+) purchased from a Copart auction that was totaled because it needed a frame:


The Corvette that was totaled by a piece of concrete on the highway. Frame damage that GM says is unrepairable and any attempt (welding) would compromise the structural integrity of the car:

The big class 8 semi trucks also use frames with special steel. They are lengthened and or shortened all the time, and part of that process is welding. The Key words in all of this is "GM says." Of course they would not want it fixed, you cant sell parts and make the bucks if it is fixed.
 
The Key words in all of this is "GM says." Of course they would not want it fixed, you cant sell parts and make the bucks if it is fixed.
And most reputable shops would not want to assume the liability associated with repairing a vehicle outside of OEM guidelines.
 
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