There is no "lithium waste".
Junk entire car over Scratched Battery ?
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By golly that is brilliant!
And while we are at it we should standardize on One Oil For All!
And how about the hundreds of different sizes of tires?
And headlights! Once Upon A Time there were 3 standard sealed beam headlights (on the shelf at K-Mart), now it may cost $2000 to replace a single busted headlight.
And clearly we should be able to standardize on One Perfect Engine For All Needs! Is a problem with all these Kias, Hondas, Fords, Chevrolet, etc, all using different engines!
Every Intellectual Basement Internet Genius thinks "battery swap" is the solution. Every attempt has failed.
Did you know Tesla had a battery swap program? Videos of the robotic battery swap in 90 seconds on Model S on YouTube.
So, how much do you bill for borrowing a $20,000 battery for a week? Or to rent $20,000 easily abused batteries? The answer is, "More than people are willing to pay."
Gotta give him credit for trying as most professors have never done anything real in their careers. Spend their lives talking about it, not doing. So it isn't too surprising his experiment failed.
Sounds like you want everyone to drive Lada’s
There's multiple bad things that could have happened here, most notably taking a battery from a wrecked car. I would also venture to guess the trouble was not gone to in order to use the battery management system from the car because of how that is integrated into the car, but obviously alternatives exist to do this. Anyone can be an electrical "genius" and still make a mistake. I have 11 years in electronics including soldering and building boards for different controllers and we all make a mistake once in a while. I definitely wouldn't have tried to use the battery for something other than its intended use.
The same people wont spend 20K on a new engine and trans for their out of warranty benz or bimmer that blew up or clapped out.
Pack prices vary - just like engines/trans.
BTW I loved my ZX11....
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Both my c40 and ev6 gt have modular, serviceable battery packs.
How much would I need to spend to have a mid 11 second gas SUV or wagon with 100k mile powertrain warranty?
When the Prius and Insight were first introduced, insurers were scrapping them. The Insight was basically built like a NSX - all aluminum. The Prius was initially feared by body shops - higher voltage and there were warning labels and orange cables all over it. Despite the fact I-CAR and Toyota had training material to learn how to safely work on one and it’s essentially an uglier Corolla with 2 electric motors, insurers and body shops didn’t want to go to court over wrongful death lawsuits or to pay out worker’s comp - it was off to Copart or another insurance auction for many Prii.
This is very much proof of what we see posted everywhere, including this thread. Fear of something new turns people off. It's irrational but it's hard to sell an idea without having it tied to something historically known.
By 1912, 40% of vehicles in the US were EVs. Its not new, people are just ignorant.
This kind of quickness was once the domain of litre class bikes.
My mid 11 second 82 gs1100 astonished friends with speeds nearing that of the enterprise - it was untouchable by even supercars in the day.
The driving experience is a primary reason why efficiency comparisons to eco/penalty-boxes miss the point. They may be both cheap to run but only one is thrilling to drive.
That's true, but I think it is misleading. At that time, only the very rich could afford a car. There were no gas stations. Cars were built by hand by a small group of workers. And roads were for horses.
Then Henry decided to build his assembly line in Highland; heck he even introduced interchangable parts into wide use!
The thing is, a $20K battery replacement is pretty much the cost for any capable EV. We could purchase a lifetime of replacement engines and transmissions for a Nissan Sentra for the cost of one Model 3 EV battery. The Model 3 is the same exact size as the Sentra.
It is not.
The ownership cost of a gas car is regular maintenance + fuel, assuming you want to run it to 250k miles / 25 years you don't need an engine or transmission rebuild if you buy a reputable model.
The ownership cost of an EV is the charging cost + battery replacement cost. Most likely your electric motor won't wear out and you don't drive too far off in the 25 years, you will have 1 replacement battery pack + the electricity cost to charge it. If you are not buying an EV for ecofriendly reason or torque reason, your fuel saving has to make up for the battery replacement / depreciation cost.
All else "should be the same" between them, like tires, suspension, fender bender repair, windshield, etc. Apple to apple comparisons like Tesla vs European, or Toyota vs Toyota.
Older EV will be scrapped more often and battery swapped between moderate repair vs nice body with worn battery, far more than engine and transmission swaps on a gas car.
Don’t forget about these,
AC charging electrics £2000 a piece some cars have 2.
Front drive motor electrics £2000
Rear drive motor electrics £2000
Motors run at £3000 each
Multiple other control units, charging connectors and cabling.
All prices are base parts only not a fitted price.
I had a Q5e come in a few weeks ago. Warning light on dash. A rodent of some sort had chewed through the high voltage cable shielding along with some of the engine wiring. Car was taken by the insurance company due to repair cost. Can only assume it was taken for repair somewhere with a lower labour rate however If it was my car I would be worried about the repair quality.
AC charging electrics £2000 a piece some cars have 2.
Front drive motor electrics £2000
Rear drive motor electrics £2000
Motors run at £3000 each
Multiple other control units, charging connectors and cabling.
All prices are base parts only not a fitted price.
I had a Q5e come in a few weeks ago. Warning light on dash. A rodent of some sort had chewed through the high voltage cable shielding along with some of the engine wiring. Car was taken by the insurance company due to repair cost. Can only assume it was taken for repair somewhere with a lower labour rate however If it was my car I would be worried about the repair quality.
