Jumping on filter every other oil change bandwagon

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Originally Posted By: oldhp
I can't go to bed without confessing....
I was just kidding.
I don't want to dream a giant Purolator filter chasing me!


You funny guy Joe!
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I'm thinking about doing this on my 2010 Camry. Changing the cartridge filter easily triples the time needed to change the oil. And the filter always looks perfect.
 
Toyota brand filters are about bulletproof. I have a couple cartridge filters i got in a bulk buy . They are made very well too.
 
I don't trust the build quality or quality controls of oil filters. I see indications of filter failure far more frequently than a randomly defective quart of brand-name motor oil. The latter never happens, the former does.

Currently I have a few Mobil-1 filters. They were inexpensive on Amazon. The cost isn't an issue, I just "believe" (and I could be wrong) that the M1 brand is among the least likely to give me a defect. Defective filters are what I worry about more than minor details of their performance specs.

Cost-wise, I really don't care if I'm buying a filter every oil change vs every 2nd change. They're also easy to change and it's the same amount of work either way.
However, I'm aware of the belief that an extended life filter won't filter as effectively when new, and should therefore be left on for higher miles.
If that's the case, then I should run these filters for 2 OCIs.

However, I refuse to leave such large amounts of old oil in the engine. Therefore, If I do reuse a filter, I will still remove it and drain it.
So it's the same amount of work, I consider the cost negligible, and I'm not an environmentalist. The only reason for me reusing the filter is based on the theory that an EL filter performs better with longer usage.
I haven't really made that decision, I need to look more into the theory.
 
I used a Mobil 1 filter ONCE. I had startup valvetrain clatter in my 89 Accord. Amsoil filters did the same. Not so with some of the cheap ones (OCOD, ST). So, the ADBFV material or name on the filter doesn't mean as much as you might think.
 
Originally Posted By: oldhp
What kind of indications are you seeing on filter failures?
I have never had or seen a bad oil filter. Just curious.


My impression largely comes from reports online. People occasionally find media failures, and have ADBV problems. Many cases would go unnoticed unless the owner cut the filter open to inspect, which most people don't do (I don't either).
If one were to search through UOAs, I think they'd be hard pressed to find any examples where a brand name motor oil had clearly failed to meet reasonable expectations. Some are less perfect than others but they don't dramatically fail.
If one were to look at all the filter autopsies, it appears to me the percentage that were found to have mechanically failed would be more significant. But I haven't actually done that, it's just an impression.

Of course in the vast majority of cases, both for oil and filters, there is no inspection done so there is no data to call them good or failed. I wouldn't classify those as good just because no failure was obvious to the driver - they are null records.
 
Originally Posted By: oldhp
What kind of indications are you seeing on filter failures?
I have never had or seen a bad oil filter. Just curious.

The only failures(if you can call them that) are YouTube videos that tend to be fram haters. I've never in my life with my own eyes seen a filter failure,whether it was a can failure or media failure,so I don't put much stock in those videos or the ocod posts. They tend to be pushing some kind of agenda.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
oldhp said:
.... are YouTube videos that tend to be fram haters. ..... They tend to be pushing some kind of agenda.


And the Fram "agenda" is to sell you THE cheapest made, barely passable filter for the most money it can get from you.

NO, your car won't explode, but why would one choose such if better and less expensive alternatives are readily available?
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
And the Fram "agenda" is to sell you THE cheapest made, barely passable filter for the most money it can get from you.

NO, your car won't explode, but why would one choose such if better and less expensive alternatives are readily available?


I'm going to run Fram Ultra on a Civic - change it at ~15k miles, with oil changed at 7500. I bought two filters for $9.99 - no rebate required, during a sale. What's your agenda?

Your first statement seems like a generic business model for any modern business. They exist to make money. If they are public with shareholders, they must try and make the most money possible. Or are you against capitalism?
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar

I'm going to run Fram Ultra on a Civic - change it at ~15k miles,


And do YOU think the Fram ULTRA is what I am referring to? THE cheapest made, barely passable filter = Fram OCOD.

If you are going to try to bark at me, read a bit and get your facts straight. Debating with me is a likely losing proposition for you. DISMISSED.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: oldhp
What kind of indications are you seeing on filter failures?
I have never had or seen a bad oil filter. Just curious.

The only failures(if you can call them that) are YouTube videos that tend to be fram haters. I've never in my life with my own eyes seen a filter failure,whether it was a can failure or media failure,so I don't put much stock in those videos or the ocod posts. They tend to be pushing some kind of agenda.


There are cases of real filter failures. Been many instances posted in this forum. I had a Purolator Classic with torn media. Although not a huge failure, it was one. Media failures are probably the most common type of oil filter failures.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...902#Post2260902
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Media failures are probably the most common type of oil filter failures.



True that, and Frams even the orange can are nowhere near the top of that list even though they probably sell more of them. The king of media failure are the Champ Labs e-cores from what I've seen.
 
I typically see totally filled in filter media (that is, can't see light through the stretched out pleats when held up to a light) in as little as 5000 miles. There is no way I will go to the every other oil change for a filter change unless I only run 2000 miles per year.
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
I typically see totally filled in filter media (that is, can't see light through the stretched out pleats when held up to a light) in as little as 5000 miles. There is no way I will go to the every other oil change for a filter change unless I only run 2000 miles per year.



Paul---have you taken a piece of unused (new) oil filter media, soaked it in used engine oil, and held it up to a light bulb--? I haven't, but I bet you won't see much light thru it either
 
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