Jeep Grand Wagoneer

[Zee09]

I don't care for the style that much, but that's just me. Others will. The interior is beautiful.

And a $100K vehicle isn't that substantial anymore. You can run up a nice Diesel Dually pickup almost to that point today. It's gone the way of the $500K house..... A bit above the norm. Inflation desensitizes people financially. The older you are, the less you notice.

I remember the Sharon Tate murders back in 1969, when I was in high school. The news reporter said, "She was found stabbed to death inside of her sprawling $400,000.00 Hollywood Hills mansion"...... Today that buys you a clapboard box in suburbia.

I like how you always put a positive spin on everything...

 

[swampdodo]

Shouldn't the back window 'roll down' like the original or like the Toyota SUVs do today???

 

[OVERKILL]

I think the new 2022 Kia Sedona does the look better at a fraction of the price, and probably rides / handles better, maybe fits more too. But then you don't get the 4x4 (that most people don't need) and Jeep cachet.

I doubt it rides better, this is based on the DT truck platform, which has an incredible ride. The interior is also amazing. It might handle better though, as this unit is a porker. Base engine is the SRT-derived 6.4L which should motivate it well enough. You of course also get the bulletproof ZF 8-speed.

 

[OVERKILL]

I've loved Jeep for as long as I can remember. I was really excited about the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer, although I knew what it was likely to be (Yukon/Yukon XL competitor). I really, really wish Jeep would produce a trim level that got back to its roots- a stripped down, off-road (guilt-free) monster. I get that luxury vehicles generally have higher profit margins, but I just get the feeling that Jeep lost track of what made it special. Even if I felt comfortable spending that kind of money, I'd never spend 100k on a Jeep. I'm sorry, but there's just too many other vehicles that I'd rather have at that price range. I know people think it'll sell like hot cakes, but I'm going to take the wait-and-see approach.

Jeep has been selling "luxury" with the Grand Cherokee for years, look at the upper trim levels. I'd also argue they've done a great job executing it since the FIAT takeover, which is when they really started to up their interior game. These latest interiors are a step-up from even that, which is impressive.

 

[OVERKILL]

The problem with this SUV and many like it is that $100k luxury just means a lot of tech that will soon be outdated, not necessarily quality craftsmanship. Ever close the door or sit in the interior of an old Grand Wagoneer? It feels solid. Same thing with an expensive older Mercedes-Benz. The newer luxury SUVs are all about how much tech gadgets they can jam into one interior, yet the seats feel like a park bench.

I recently drove a friend's newer BMW, and was not impressed. Sure it had power, and lots of tech, but the interior plastics rattled, and the seat was hard as a rock. If I closed my eyes I certainly wouldn't have guessed I was in a luxury vehicle.

I can tell you from first hand experience that the seats in these are VERY nice.

Saying BMW doesn't mean much. The X3 we had as a loaner was pretty average inside, but it isn't priced like an M car. You step up to an X5M or X6M and the interior materials, sound deadening...etc, all improve massively, but you have to pay for that.

BMW and Mercedes also make cheap cars, but people somehow see BMW/Mercedes and immediately think it's going to be a luxo-barge and are then disappointed when it isn't. These companies make a wide range of products that vary wildly in finishings depending on the price point, no different from any other brand. There's a chasm between a base Grand Cherokee Limited and the SRT for example, despite them being on the same platform, the same was the case for a 318i and an M3, and the prices reflect that.

Anyone with a DT RAM will tell you they feel pretty solid. The Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is based on the truck, but designed to be even more luxurious.

I often hear that tech is going to "go out of date" but I'd love for somebody to actually explain what that means. Currently, most vehicles on the market support Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, most of the recent ones can do it wirelessly and have wireless charging (like the vehicle in question). Both of these techs have been around for almost a decade. Are we speaking exclusively of infotainment systems? It's not like a HUD or digital cluster is going to go out of date, nor will heated/cooled seats and wheel, f/r parksense, cameras, climate control, auto dimming mirrors, LED headlights, air ride suspension w/auto levelling, trailer brake controller....etc. These are typically the "tech" that is included in higher trim vehicles. Some get extra stuff like night vision, adaptive cruise, lane keep and/or lane assist, self-parking...etc. I just don't see how those things get "out of date", your car isn't a gaming rig, it's not like you are going to have issues with it not being able to run the latest and greatest title in two years.

Now, this stuff can be expensive to fix out of warranty, certainly, but that's a wholly separate discussion.

 

[Silver]

LOL it looks like Kia tried to copy a Tahoe.

Remember the even funnier days when Kiundia made their vehicles subtly resemble other cars?

 

[Malo83]

Saw my first one in person last week. I wanted to love this truck but the proportions are just... Off

Now, someone in my town has a new Suburban Z71 with a leveling kit and Goodyear Kevlars... White with black wheels - that's a good looking rig.

Black wheels.

 

[Zee09]

I can tell you from first hand experience that the seats in these are VERY nice.

Saying BMW doesn't mean much. The X3 we had as a loaner was pretty average inside, but it isn't priced like an M car. You step up to an X5M or X6M and the interior materials, sound deadening...etc, all improve massively, but you have to pay for that.

BMW and Mercedes also make cheap cars, but people somehow see BMW/Mercedes and immediately think it's going to be a luxo-barge and are then disappointed when it isn't. These companies make a wide range of products that vary wildly in finishings depending on the price point, no different from any other brand. There's a chasm between a base Grand Cherokee Limited and the SRT for example, despite them being on the same platform, the same was the case for a 318i and an M3, and the prices reflect that.

Anyone with a DT RAM will tell you they feel pretty solid. The Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is based on the truck, but designed to be even more luxurious.

I often hear that tech is going to "go out of date" but I'd love for somebody to actually explain what that means. Currently, most vehicles on the market support Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, most of the recent ones can do it wirelessly and have wireless charging (like the vehicle in question). Both of these techs have been around for almost a decade. Are we speaking exclusively of infotainment systems? It's not like a HUD or digital cluster is going to go out of date, nor will heated/cooled seats and wheel, f/r parksense, cameras, climate control, auto dimming mirrors, LED headlights, air ride suspension w/auto levelling, trailer brake controller....etc. These are typically the "tech" that is included in higher trim vehicles. Some get extra stuff like night vision, adaptive cruise, lane keep and/or lane assist, self-parking...etc. I just don't see how those things get "out of date", your car isn't a gaming rig, it's not like you are going to have issues with it not being able to run the latest and greatest title in two years.

Now, this stuff can be expensive to fix out of warranty, certainly, but that's a wholly separate discussion.

I have been dying to try this out.
This looked like a good place.
Not arguing the points however...lol

 

[RooflessVW]

Black wheels.

Hate all you want but I keep mine like mirrors.

I totally get why most people don't like black wheels or black cars. They're difficult.

But when they're clean, they look the best IMO.

 

[Zee09]

Hate all you want but I keep mine like mirrors.

I totally get why most people don't like black wheels or black cars. They're difficult.

But when they're clean, they look the best IMO.

They do hide brake dust and look good when they are two tone meaning the deeper recesses are black only like on new VW's.

 

[Oily_Thing]

Fiat Motors...

 

[Malo83]

Hate all you want but I keep mine like mirrors.

I totally get why most people don't like black wheels or black cars. They're difficult.

But when they're clean, they look the best IMO.

Don't hate black cars but hate black wheels as 99% of them are always dirty looking, people don't keep their cars clean around here and the black wheels suffer the most with dust, dirt and brake dust. i'm Old Skool chrome or polished wheels.

 

[billt460]

I don't know if this vehicle has it or not, but how much additional crap, (motors, pulleys, sensors, etc.), is added to the front end components for that, "Auto Parallel Parking"?

 

[Duffyjr]

It really does look like it belongs in a funeral procession, needs something on the sides like some trim or wood and that wiper on the back looks like a instrument gauge needle

 

[jeepman3071]

I can tell you from first hand experience that the seats in these are VERY nice.

Saying BMW doesn't mean much. The X3 we had as a loaner was pretty average inside, but it isn't priced like an M car. You step up to an X5M or X6M and the interior materials, sound deadening...etc, all improve massively, but you have to pay for that.

BMW and Mercedes also make cheap cars, but people somehow see BMW/Mercedes and immediately think it's going to be a luxo-barge and are then disappointed when it isn't. These companies make a wide range of products that vary wildly in finishings depending on the price point, no different from any other brand. There's a chasm between a base Grand Cherokee Limited and the SRT for example, despite them being on the same platform, the same was the case for a 318i and an M3, and the prices reflect that.

Anyone with a DT RAM will tell you they feel pretty solid. The Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is based on the truck, but designed to be even more luxurious.

I often hear that tech is going to "go out of date" but I'd love for somebody to actually explain what that means. Currently, most vehicles on the market support Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, most of the recent ones can do it wirelessly and have wireless charging (like the vehicle in question). Both of these techs have been around for almost a decade. Are we speaking exclusively of infotainment systems? It's not like a HUD or digital cluster is going to go out of date, nor will heated/cooled seats and wheel, f/r parksense, cameras, climate control, auto dimming mirrors, LED headlights, air ride suspension w/auto levelling, trailer brake controller....etc. These are typically the "tech" that is included in higher trim vehicles. Some get extra stuff like night vision, adaptive cruise, lane keep and/or lane assist, self-parking...etc. I just don't see how those things get "out of date", your car isn't a gaming rig, it's not like you are going to have issues with it not being able to run the latest and greatest title in two years.

Now, this stuff can be expensive to fix out of warranty, certainly, but that's a wholly separate discussion.

Technology is constantly changing, and evolving quicker than ever before. Why is it that when most BMW enthusiasts want to buy a specific car, they prefer one without the earlier versions of i-Drive? There is nothing wrong with the functionality of the technology, the hardware is what dates the car quicker. All I'm saying is that it makes cars more disposable.

 

[The Critic]

And a $100K vehicle isn't that substantial anymore. You can run up a nice Diesel Dually pickup almost to that point today. It's gone the way of the $500K house..... A bit above the norm. Inflation desensitizes people financially. The older you are, the less you notice.

Agreed, but change $500k to $750K.

 

[OVERKILL]

I don't know if this vehicle has it or not, but how much additional crap, (motors, pulleys, sensors, etc.), is added to the front end components for that, "Auto Parallel Parking"?

Mine does it, I don't think anything. It just uses the electric power steering and the radar and parking sensors along with electronic braking to do it.

 

[jeepman3071]

Mine does it, I don't think anything. It just uses the electric power steering and the radar and parking sensors along with electronic braking to do it.

Yup, usually multiple systems working together.

 

[jeepman3071]

Agreed, but change $500k to $750K.

I think it also has to do with how acceptable large amounts of debt has become. Most millennials graduated college with huge student loans, car payments, etc and it just became normal. Everything has turned into "how much do I have to pay per month?" hence the 84 month loans. Ever try to buy a car from a dealer with cash? They almost don't even know what to do.

 

[OVERKILL]

Technology is constantly changing, and evolving quicker than ever before. Why is it that when most BMW enthusiasts want to buy a specific car, they prefer one without the earlier versions of i-Drive? There is nothing wrong with the functionality of the technology, the hardware is what dates the car quicker. All I'm saying is that it makes cars more disposable.

I am going to assume you know i work in IT, given my extensive posting history in that section. I'm well aware of technology changing, the point is that there isn't much in a vehicle that's going to make it "out of date" to the point where that matters.

Yes, early versions of iDrive were cumbersome and BMW has improved that. Early versions of UConnect were much better, but FCA still improved it in subsequent versions, made it more responsive and more recently added wireless CarPlay to it and wireless charging. However, the earlier versions are still perfectly serviceable. For a while we had two different versions of UConnect in our driveway, as my '16 SRT had the older version while the truck has the newer Panasonic-based one. I wasn't clawing my eyes out lamenting that the one in the Jeep was wildly inferior and I needed to update, because the difference just wasn't enough to matter. Yes, the Panasonic is faster, but you aren't waiting for an 8088 to boot vs a modern laptop with an SSD.

One example I CAN think of is the retiring of 3G that a lot of the earlier in car systems used. Most manufacturers are offering upgrades to solve that though.

The system in my E39 M5 was definitely not cutting edge by the time 2015 rolled around and I traded the car on the SRT Charger I had, but I still didn't mind it, it wasn't something that needed to be changed/updated and certainly didn't make the car more disposable. One issue I did have was that very complex maps (like downtown Montreal) crashed the Nav. Zooming out a bit was a workaround but still annoying. But then I had Apple Maps crash the whole system on the loaner X3, so that's just BMW, lol.