Ivy League

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
One thing Harvard or Yale might teach a student is that a single attributed Fox news article is hardly a convincing treatise on a subject.
Yep. They also teach them to ridicule and dismiss such things that don't fit the official narrative and under no circumstances do their own research or further investigations. Blindly dismissing is just as stupid as blindly believing for students of these institutions.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
One thing Harvard or Yale might teach a student is that a single attributed Fox news article is hardly a convincing treatise on a subject.
Yep. They also teach them to ridicule and dismiss such things that don't fit the official narrative and under no circumstances do their own research or further investigations. Blindly dismissing is just as stupid as blindly believing for students of these institutions.


How do you know what Harvard and Yale teach?

 

[gman2304]

Per the link, In less than 60 minutes the 'petitioner' got 50 signatures from the Yale students on a petition to repeal the first amendment. Funny and scary at the same time. We have indeed turned into a 'nation of sheep'.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: gman2304


Per the link, In less than 60 minutes the 'petitioner' got 50 signatures from the Yale students on a petition to repeal the first amendment. Funny and scary at the same time. We have indeed turned into a 'nation of sheep'.


Also per the link...because I watched it and read the article...and because I know the campus...he was standing in front of Sterling Memorial Library. That used to be a street.

Very high pedestrian traffic. Lots of people walk it. It's a huge tourist spot. Great place to see people, but also an excellent chance that someone walking there is NOT A YALE Student.

Since he got 50 signatures, and doesn't mention how many declined, we can't tell what percentage agreed. And because he didn't determine if they were, in fact, U.S., not foreign students, or even if the were students, we have no idea how many Yale students actually signed it. He could easily have a combination of foreign students, New Haven residents and tourists.

Which makes it a meaningless collection of signatures.

Doesn't anyone think critically any more?

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
One thing Harvard or Yale might teach a student is that a single attributed Fox news article is hardly a convincing treatise on a subject.
Yep. They also teach them to ridicule and dismiss such things that don't fit the official narrative and under no circumstances do their own research or further investigations. Blindly dismissing is just as stupid as blindly believing for students of these institutions.


How do you know what Harvard and Yale teach?
I see the product.

 

[hatt]

US vs foreign students is a none issue. If they're so smart they wouldn't be signing petitions for unknown subject matter. I see you're using the playbook to try and discredit challenges to the narrative. LOL.

 

[hatt]

Tell us about how the Yale students too alarmed by Halloween costumes to function was all a hoax propagated by Fox News?

 

[gman2304]

I would imagine the results would be similar on most college campuses. Let's say that 10% of the petition signers WERE Yale students. Feel better?

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
One thing Harvard or Yale might teach a student is that a single attributed Fox news article is hardly a convincing treatise on a subject.
Yep. They also teach them to ridicule and dismiss such things that don't fit the official narrative and under no circumstances do their own research or further investigations. Blindly dismissing is just as stupid as blindly believing for students of these institutions.


How do you know what Harvard and Yale teach?
I see the product.


Where? Any first hand interaction with Yale and Harvard grads?

Or do you base your opinion on your observation of the political class that happen to have attended those schools...the 1% that don't represent the majority of the group. That's a specious and patently unreasonable assessment.

Or is it that you accept the baiting, those articles that bash those two schools, that "journalists" put out without applying any critical thought of your own?

That's as bad as accepting, without examination, the garbage that the politicians put out....

You "see" what others want you to see, in this case...that makes you a sheep, following the political agenda that this producer has...thinking critically about what they present is what allows you to see what is real.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Tell us about how the Yale students too alarmed by Halloween costumes to function was all a hoax propagated by Fox News?


That happened at Silliman College.

That confrontation with the College Master was orchestrated by one, very loud, very misguided student.

Most Yale students were embarrassed by the whole affair and don't agree with her. Wasn't orchestrated by any news outlet, but I'm certain that student had news attention in mind with her screaming at the Master...

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: hatt
US vs foreign students is a none issue. If they're so smart they wouldn't be signing petitions for unknown subject matter. I see you're using the playbook to try and discredit challenges to the narrative. LOL.


I use the same "playbook" to discredit all poorly researched and presented political positions.

When I used that "playbook" (known as examination, or critical thinking) to discredit or discount things with which you also disagreed, you had no objections then...

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: gman2304

I would imagine the results would be similar on most college campuses. Let's say that 10% of the petition signers WERE Yale students. Feel better?


Yep. I would.

5 students signed it. Congrats, you found 5 politically brain-washed students out of an undergraduate population of 5,200...less than 0.1%...not exactly statistically significant...and not at all a fair representation of the student body.

 

[gman2304]

10% of 5,200 is 520. Still feeling good?

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: gman2304


10% of 5,200 is 520. Still feeling good?


He didn't ask all 5,200. He spent an hour in a public cross-roads. Not a secure campus area. He didn't vet anyone's identity.

He got 50 signatures.

With an unknown number of people declining.

And without knowing that the people he got to sign were either US citizens or Yale students. So, he got signatures equal to 0.1% of Yale student population, without knowing if they were Yale students signing.

He would be laughed out of any court, or any scientific review, for his failure to control variables to get a representative sample.

But if his sloppy methodology is good enough for you to make an assumption, then I'm sorry...sorry for your inability to reason this one out.

Look, if you want to make the point that civic and cultural illiteracy exists on college campuses today, I completely agree.

But this video doesn't make that case.

If this evidence were good enough for you, you would be supporting everything the media (on both sides) tells you...about global warming, about gun control, about "the rich"...but I've seen your posts to the contrary...I know that you apply thought to the claims on one side of the argument.

Why the willing suspension of thought now?

This video may support your feelings on a set of political topics, I get that...but that doesn't excuse sloppy, emotional thinking and blind acceptance of what you're told to believe...

Too many people today render judgement about news items solely on the basis of alignment with their pre-existing emotional and/or political biases. We call them sheep...don't be one of those...

 

[gman2304]

It is intriguing that this made for TV/Youtube, unscientific, petition/poll, spoof, might give a tiny peek into what students/pedestrians/passersby at a prestigious university might be willing to do when approached by an agenda driven individual with a pen and clipboard. Speaking of 'willing suspension of thought'. I would bet that the skull and bones guys would see it as hilarious and not take offense because it just happened to be at they're alma-mater.....if there was a skull and bones society.

 

[simple_gifts]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
One thing Harvard or Yale might teach a student is that a single attributed Fox news article is hardly a convincing treatise on a subject.
Yep. They also teach them to ridicule and dismiss such things that don't fit the official narrative and under no circumstances do their own research or further investigations. Blindly dismissing is just as stupid as blindly believing for students of these institutions.


I didn't dismiss it; I indicated you provided 1 source; this doesn't indicate an exhaustive investigation or produce a convincing case.

 

[Andrew1972]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
One thing Harvard or Yale might teach a student is that a single attributed Fox news article is hardly a convincing treatise on a subject.
Yep. They also teach them to ridicule and dismiss such things that don't fit the official narrative and under no circumstances do their own research or further investigations. Blindly dismissing is just as stupid as blindly believing for students of these institutions.


How do you know what Harvard and Yale teach?
I see the product.


I'd trust the guy with listed profession as reator.

 

[hattaresguy]

You guys have been out of school for a long time so you forget...just because someone got into a college does not mean they are smart. Idiots are in colleges on all levels, from fake online schools to the hardest schools to get into which I believe right now are the service academies.

 

[Lapham3]

Some of you fellas sure got mr astro fired up. This video is not especially compelling, but it well could be close to today's reality. I've been pretty much surrounded by educator friends/relatives my whole adult life and it's interesting to note how they have viewed the 'state of education' over the years. One big change has been increased enabling helicopter baby boomer parents who wish to shower their darlings with all possible advantages and support. For instance, my wife has had increasing attempts of parents wanting to attend their adult children's conferences/meetings where problems are discussed. Also, there is, and has been, a large divide between liberal arts and technical education=quite often a big different as to the make up and type of folks that both teach and pursue the education. A site such as this would tend to attract more technical critical thinkers and less emotion based. In my world at Honeywell in Minnesota we had nearly zero ivy or even east or west coast grads as the HR folks/management mostly focused on sharp midwest folks.

 

[Gasbuggy]

Originally Posted By: madRiver
What I have personally with friends who attended top prep schools and ivy league is the education is not what lead to success(helped).

Its the amazing bonds and connections established what get them somewhere latter in life. You go with who you know and trust not some resume.....


Post looks like it attended public school.