Is my AC cold enough?

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I'd say 15/150 at 100 degrees... variable compressors shouldn't be very sensitive to rpm.
Wow. I've never heard of pressures needing to be so low. Care to explain? Is it a variable displacement compressor thing?

It did get very cold once I only had 12 oz of freon in there, then it got warmer as I added another 4 oz. (~16oz capacity) Too much oil?
Would that explain why it works well until it gets above 90 degrees outside-too much pressure? It still creeps up 8-10 degrees at idle, but it will get down to 40 degrees quickly if it's below 90 degrees out and cloudy/late in the day.
 
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Wow. I've never heard of pressures needing to be so low. Care to explain? Is it a variable displacement compressor thing?

It did get very cold once I only had 12 oz of freon in there, then it got warmer as I added another 4 oz. (~16oz capacity) Too much oil?
Would that explain why it works well until it gets above 90 degrees outside-too much pressure? It still creeps up 8-10 degrees at idle, but it will get down to 40 degrees quickly if it's below 90 degrees out and cloudy/late in the day.

You really should find another mechanic that is competent and has one of the current Robinair or similar recovery and recharge machines,
I'm sure that machine will have your model's correct PAG oil weight and amount already programmed into it as well.

Have the car recharged correctly and see what the results are. I still think your condenser fan is running slow as well. Have that new mechanic compare the specified fan operation and RPMs to what your fan is doing.
 
Wow. I've never heard of pressures needing to be so low. Care to explain? Is it a variable displacement compressor thing?

It did get very cold once I only had 12 oz of freon in there, then it got warmer as I added another 4 oz. (~16oz capacity) Too much oil?
Would that explain why it works well until it gets above 90 degrees outside-too much pressure? It still creeps up 8-10 degrees at idle, but it will get down to 40 degrees quickly if it's below 90 degrees out and cloudy/late in the day.
It's an efficiency thing, the higher the pressures the more power you need to put in the system for little extra gain. High pressure can also be a sign of poor condensor performance of course.

Make sure the part number for the pressure sensor matches your car first, if the profile of the current sensor is off, we could be chasing ghosts
 
Thanks everyone for your patience and advice. I'm taking the car in tomorrow to get it re-charged by someone else and get a second opinion. I really don't trust my regular mechanic to send me off with fairly cool air and not even try to figure out what's wrong. I have learned a lot from all of you, so that's great. I'll report back with the results/diagnosis.
 
I usually aim for 15 psi low, 150 psi high for systems I don't know the capacity by weight.

Your low pressure is certainly high, and high pressure is higher than it should be with adequate cooling of the condensor.

Is this a simple compressor or variable stroke?
Pressure depends on out side temp. A good starting point is 2.2 x ambient temp. That would be 220 on a 100f day.
 
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Just a couple of niggly things that I see in some comments that need to be pointed out and kept in mind. I'm not AC professional, but by reading comments I can tell that some folks don't have the whole picture.

An AC system continually moves heat from one location to another location. Efficient operation needs a compressor that works well (and has sufficient RPM to do so), the proper amount of refrigerant, and good heat shedding at the condenser. This comes in multiple forms - cool air, lots of air, both... Outside temperature and volume of air directly affect the system's ability to shed the heat it has removed from the cabin. You need a condenser that is clean of debris on the outside (and inside) and sufficient airflow through the outside. The higher the outdoor temperature (humidity doesn't really matter to the condenser end of the system) the more air you need to transfer heat. A perfectly working condenser will reduce the liquid refrigerant's temperature to the outdoor ambient temperature (it cannot do more). When you spray water on the condenser, you are adding the evaporation of that water to the cooling equation and you can cool below the ambient air temperature (like when a fan blows on you when you sweat), plus the cooling effect of the water itself. Testing this can help to determine if the limiting factor of the system's performance is the heat shedding half of the system.

The heat absorption happens at the evaporator, absorbing heat by changing the state of the refrigerant from liquid to gas, like continually spraying an aerosol can. I don't believe I've had a vehicle that did NOT have a TXV, meaning there is a valve at the evaporator with a closed feedback loop control that keeps the evaporator no lower than just above freezing so that it does not ice up. How energy is absorbed at the evaporator takes two forms - lowering the temperature of the air as it passes through and removing humidity (changing the state of water from vapour to liquid). The latter takes more energy than many people think. How much energy would it take on your stovetop to boil a pan of water dry? That same amount will be removed to condense that water back. If the interior of my house gets hot and muggy and I turn the AC on, it will run full out for an hour and the temperature won't hardly budge, but the humidity will drop 10% and it will feel much better (and water is pouring out the condensate drain).

How things work at the evaporator, assuming it is clean on the outside, is the volume of air (fan speed) and the temperature AND humidity of the inlet air changes the heat load offered to the system. This is dramatically different depending on climate and whether your system is running in recirculate mode or not. I see folks in this thread interchangeably comparing performance with recirc on and off - it is worlds different. If it's hot and muggy out, force the system to recirc and the system will work a lot less to keep the cabin comfortable. Your house doesn't stay cool by sucking in outside air directly - it recirculates the air that's in the house, cooling and drying it. It takes way more energy to start with outside air. Once you're past the hurdle of just getting into a hot car, reduce the fan speed and the discharge air will be colder and drier. Most vehicle systems don't actually recirc all the time - they let some outside air in periodically so you don't suffocate.

On a fully manual system on my first car, when I started doing this kind of thing, I was amazed how comfortable it could keep the interior set to recirc and low or low-med fan speed once the system had a chance to take the worst of the heat out of the interior.
 
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New mechanic seems to know what he's doing (parked in my driveway, 86 degrees/sunny day)
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@Jonas

That looks very good, so the car is sitting in park at idle speed for five minutes steady and then you took this reading?
What is the ambient humidity if you know it?

If so that looks like it should. It's exactly what I would expect it to be
 
@Jonas

That looks very good, so the car is sitting in park at idle speed for five minutes steady and then you took this reading?
What is the ambient humidity if you know it?

If so that looks like it should. It's exactly what I would expect it to be
I had been sitting 2 to 3 minutes after I got home. It's quite humid, 70 percent I think. It started raining about an hour later. It still creeps up when stuck in traffic, but not as much.
 
I had been sitting 2 to 3 minutes after I got home. It's quite humid, 70 percent I think. It started raining about an hour later. It still creeps up when stuck in traffic, but not as much
It is going to creep up a bit in traffic, there's less airflow through the grill. It's going to be at its best moving down the road. If you have 40F vent temps on a 85-90F day you're doing fine. Also keep in mind no two cars are alike. A friendly word of caution: I'd stop checking and messing with it now.
 
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I had been sitting 2 to 3 minutes after I got home. It's quite humid, 70 percent I think. It started raining about an hour later. It still creeps up when stuck in traffic, but not as much.
Try letting it sit at idle for at least five minutes after the car is running at regular operating temperature.
Well we know that it is operating well in high humidity, that's a very good result at that humidity.
Did you ask the mechanic to check the condenser fans for proper operating and speeds? ( proper function of high speed fan and RPMs of the fans?

I still think that your condenser and or main radiator fan is running slowly or the high speed fan is not activating.

After the car is started from a "cold start" and the outside temp is nearing 90 the high speed setting on the condenser fan should come on at some point this it what helps the car when it sits at idle in high temp keep the evaporator temp steady.
 
Try letting it sit at idle for at least five minutes after the car is running at regular operating temperature.
Well we know that it is operating well in high humidity, that's a very good result at that humidity.
Did you ask the mechanic to check the condenser fans for proper operating and speeds? ( proper function of high speed fan and RPMs of the fans?

I still think that your condenser and or main radiator fan is running slowly or the high speed fan is not activating.

After the car is started from a "cold start" and the outside temp is nearing 90 the high speed setting on the condenser fan should come on at some point this it what helps the car when it sits at idle in high temp keep the evaporator temp steady.
I tested it from cold start and let it run for almost ten minutes. It was 80 and cloudy (still very humid) and it got down to 40-41 with the ricirc fan on low. The temp increases about 1-2 degrees with each higher fan setting (1-4)
 
I tested it from cold start and let it run for almost ten minutes. It was 80 and cloudy (still very humid) and it got down to 40-41 with the ricirc fan on low. The temp increases about 1-2 degrees with each higher fan setting (1-4)
Yes the vent temp will increase a degree or two with every increase cockpit fan speed increase that is normal. If you get a really hot day around 90, and the humidity is over 50% turn the car on let it run to normal operating temp and see if the condenser fan goes to its high speed setting.
I'm really curious to see if it works or not.
 
Earlier this morning I had to take my neighbor to town so she could pick up her medicine. While waiting on her (10 minutes) I installed my digital temperature gauge into a vent to read the temperature. On max cool, fan setting on low, it got down to 37.4* F. Outside temperature was 89* F. I would have to say that it was very cool.
 
Yes the vent temp will increase a degree or two with every increase cockpit fan speed increase that is normal. If you get a really hot day around 90, and the humidity is over 50% turn the car on let it run to normal operating temp and see if the condenser fan goes to its high speed setting.
I'm really curious to see if it works or not.
I just got home from my lunch shift. It's 90 degrees with ~60% humidity. I could hear the fan(s) on high, so I popped the hood to look. They were both spinning fast enough that I could not see even the center of the fans turning and a gust of hot air hit me in the face. Shortly after opening the hood, the fans kicked down to low. They kicked back up right after I closed the hood. The temp at one of the center vents was pretty steady at 43 degrees with the interior fan on low. Driving around, it got down to about 41 with the fan on medium high, so there is still a significant temperature difference between idling and driving-about 6-7 degrees. The temp also quickly dropped about 2 degrees as soon as I opened the hood, then went right back up when I let the hood down.
 
I just got home from my lunch shift. It's 90 degrees with ~60% humidity. I could hear the fan(s) on high, so I popped the hood to look. They were both spinning fast enough that I could not see even the center of the fans turning and a gust of hot air hit me in the face. Shortly after opening the hood, the fans kicked down to low. They kicked back up right after I closed the hood. The temp at one of the center vents was pretty steady at 43 degrees with the interior fan on low. Driving around, it got down to about 41 with the fan on medium high, so there is still a significant temperature difference between idling and driving-about 6-7 degrees. The temp also quickly dropped about 2 degrees as soon as I opened the hood, then went right back up when I let the hood down.
Thanks for getting back to me. If it stays between 45 and 41 that seems reasonable to me as you drive at speed and then sit at idle for several minutes.

At least we know now that the high speed setting on the condenser fan DOES work. Excellent. While it's not perfect it seems reasonably good for the age of the car.
 
Thanks for getting back to me. If it stays between 45 and 41 that seems reasonable to me as you drive at speed and then sit at idle for several minutes.

At least we know now that the high speed setting on the condenser fan DOES work. Excellent. While it's not perfect it seems reasonably good for the age of the car.
It sometimes gets as high as 48 degrees (low fan) 52-ish (med high fan), but when the radiator/condenser fans kick up it goes down a little. I still wish it was a little colder. I doubt 13 year old cooling fans with almost 200k miles are still as efficient as they once were even though they look fine. I also don't want to spend any more money on something that may not help, but I think someone else would notice that is wasn't very cold if they were test driving it. The cabin temp gets up into the lower 80's, but considering it gets up to 140 degrees with windows up and nothing on, it's kind of impressive. It's mainly being out in the sun that is the X factor. It can be mid 90's, but cloudy or at dusk, and the cabin is nice and cool. It is a dark gray car and probably not that well insulated-exterior noise is prominent compared to other cars I've been in.
 
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It sometimes gets as high as 48 degrees (low fan) 52-ish (med high fan), but when the radiator/condenser fans kick up it goes down a little. I still wish it was a little colder. I doubt 13 year old cooling fans with almost 200k miles are still as efficient as they once were even though they look fine. I also don't want to spend any more money on something that may not help, but I think someone else would notice that is wasn't very cold if they were test driving it. The cabin temp gets up into the lower 80's, but considering it gets up to 140 degrees with windows up and nothing on, it's kind of impressive. It's mainly being out in the sun that is the X factor. It can be mid 90's, but cloudy or at dusk, and the cabin is nice and cool. It is a dark gray car and probably not that well insulated-exterior noise is prominent compared to other cars I've been in.
I forget if you mentioned whether or not you cleaned the condenser unit off...?
One other possibility...the evaporator may be dirty as well..but the only way to really clean is to spray foam cleaner up into the evap by way of the condensate drain tube.
 
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