Why is SN a joke? Many of the Mobil 1 0w40 competitors are still SL or SM rated.
Is Mobil 0w-40 really that great?
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Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Originally Posted By: electrolover
You know, thats the only thing that has stopped me as well. But im starting to lean toward the thicker is better crowd and not swallow all the hog wash epa and CAFE is forcing down our throats.
The turning point for me was when I tried three different 5w20 oils in our Prius and the sucker was noisy as heck. Both at startup and after it had been driven awhile and was idling. It was clear the engine was saying - "boss, this is NOT the stuff I like". I tried Havoline 5w20 conventional, Mobil Super Syn 5w20, and Peak Syn 5w20. It hated all three. I switched back to a 5w30 and all was well. I'm now running a 0w40, obviously, and the engine is whisper quiet. It likes the thicker oils...as in thick 30's and light 40s.
Good. Im glad its working for ya. I had a lot of problems with 5/20 too. And people freak out about what a manufacturer recommends, but I think the truth is that the manufacturer has other motives besides whats absolutely best for the engine.
Im gonna see if I can get my hands on some of that SM 0/40. If not I will give Pennzoil Ultra 5w40 a shot.
Originally Posted By: electrolover
You know, thats the only thing that has stopped me as well. But im starting to lean toward the thicker is better crowd and not swallow all the hog wash epa and CAFE is forcing down our throats.
The turning point for me was when I tried three different 5w20 oils in our Prius and the sucker was noisy as heck. Both at startup and after it had been driven awhile and was idling. It was clear the engine was saying - "boss, this is NOT the stuff I like". I tried Havoline 5w20 conventional, Mobil Super Syn 5w20, and Peak Syn 5w20. It hated all three. I switched back to a 5w30 and all was well. I'm now running a 0w40, obviously, and the engine is whisper quiet. It likes the thicker oils...as in thick 30's and light 40s.
Good. Im glad its working for ya. I had a lot of problems with 5/20 too. And people freak out about what a manufacturer recommends, but I think the truth is that the manufacturer has other motives besides whats absolutely best for the engine.
Im gonna see if I can get my hands on some of that SM 0/40. If not I will give Pennzoil Ultra 5w40 a shot.
API SN is a joke because it is extremely easy to pass. Just look at it on the chart I linked in post 1.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The first section is "meets or exceeds". These are approvals. Nissan GT-R... is under this section
No. They are not. Nissan never tested or approved this oil (if they had, it would be listed under the "builder approval" section). Amsoil does this same stuff: "...meets or exceeds VW507.00" but you will never find amsoil on any approved list published by VW. Because they never tested or approved it.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The first section is "meets or exceeds". These are approvals. Nissan GT-R... is under this section
No. They are not. Nissan never tested or approved this oil (if they had, it would be listed under the "builder approval" section). Amsoil does this same stuff: "...meets or exceeds VW507.00" but you will never find amsoil on any approved list published by VW. Because they never tested or approved it.
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Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The first section is "meets or exceeds". These are approvals. Nissan GT-R... is under this section
No. They are not. Nissan never approved or tested this oil (if they had, it would be listed under the "builder approval" section).
Amsoil does this same stuff: "...meets or exceeds VW507.00" but you will never find amsoil on any approved list published by VW.
So your argument here is that subsequently Mobil's lubricants aren't approved by ACEA then either. Because they are under the same section.
BTW, here's the Nissan GT-R owners manual.
http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/refgh0v/og/gt-r/2012-nissan-gtr.pdf
Here is the exerpt from page 10:
Quote:
ENGINE OIL
Mobil 1 (0W-40) (100% synthetic oil)
Mobil 1 (0W-40) (100% synthetic) is the factory
fill oil. The VR38 engine with its plasma-sprayed
bores was developed using this oil. NISSAN
cannot ensure proper engine operation and
durability if other 0W-40 synthetic oil is used.
If Mobil 1 (0W-40) is not available, Mobil 1
(10W-40) (100% synthetic) may be used;
however, some performance loss may be
noticed.
But yeah, I'm wrong......... right?
You want to keep this going? I don't tire of proving people like you wrong. Keep that in mind.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The first section is "meets or exceeds". These are approvals. Nissan GT-R... is under this section
No. They are not. Nissan never approved or tested this oil (if they had, it would be listed under the "builder approval" section).
Amsoil does this same stuff: "...meets or exceeds VW507.00" but you will never find amsoil on any approved list published by VW.
So your argument here is that subsequently Mobil's lubricants aren't approved by ACEA then either. Because they are under the same section.
BTW, here's the Nissan GT-R owners manual.
http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/refgh0v/og/gt-r/2012-nissan-gtr.pdf
Here is the exerpt from page 10:
Quote:
ENGINE OIL
Mobil 1 (0W-40) (100% synthetic oil)
Mobil 1 (0W-40) (100% synthetic) is the factory
fill oil. The VR38 engine with its plasma-sprayed
bores was developed using this oil. NISSAN
cannot ensure proper engine operation and
durability if other 0W-40 synthetic oil is used.
If Mobil 1 (0W-40) is not available, Mobil 1
(10W-40) (100% synthetic) may be used;
however, some performance loss may be
noticed.
But yeah, I'm wrong......... right?
You want to keep this going? I don't tire of proving people like you wrong. Keep that in mind.
When I wrote my original post, I went by what Mobil said on their site. It has three different sections under 0w-40, but only ONE of them specifically says "builder approval".
The other two do not, so that is why I did not include them. Then you came along and tried to tell me I was wrong.... I'm merely quoting what the dang site says. (If it's wrong, take it up with Mobil instead of beating me up.)
The other two do not, so that is why I did not include them. Then you came along and tried to tell me I was wrong.... I'm merely quoting what the dang site says. (If it's wrong, take it up with Mobil instead of beating me up.)
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Originally Posted By: blackman777
When I wrote my original post, I went by what Mobil said on their site. It has three different sections under 0w-40, but only ONE of them specifically says "builder approval".
The other two do not, so that is why I did not include them. Then you came along and tried to tell me I was wrong.... I'm merely quoting what the danm site says. (If it's wrong, take it up with Mobil instead of beating me up.)
It has nothing to do with Mobil being wrong and has everything to do with how the classifications are defined. I tried to explain that already but you knew better.
Do you honestly think I would come into this argument not knowing that this lubricant wasn't officially sanctioned for use by Nissan? I gave you the answer by pointing to the rather obvious situation with the ACEA classifications, but instead of digesting that piece of information, you decided to argue with me instead.
Have you ever heard the saying about a person with a little bit of knowledge being dangerous? You've taken the Lubrizol relative performance tool and are behaving like it has turned you into a lubrication expert. It hasn't. Has it not occurred to you that these topics were probably discussed on this board in the past? do you think this stuff is NEW? It isn't new. We discussed the GT-R when the car came out and Nissan's stance on using Mobil 1 0w40 back then.
You've gone from posting like a complete newb to posting with authority. And you've done this within a very short period of time. So either you are giving yourself too much credit or this whole thing is a sham and you are a past member on a trolling expedition. Which is it?
If I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you truly are a newb, then I would suggest being less confrontational with long-standing members and considering their points before making efforts to rebut them, lest you wish to be made a fool of. And I'm certain that isn't your desire here, to look like a fool.
When I wrote my original post, I went by what Mobil said on their site. It has three different sections under 0w-40, but only ONE of them specifically says "builder approval".
The other two do not, so that is why I did not include them. Then you came along and tried to tell me I was wrong.... I'm merely quoting what the danm site says. (If it's wrong, take it up with Mobil instead of beating me up.)
It has nothing to do with Mobil being wrong and has everything to do with how the classifications are defined. I tried to explain that already but you knew better.
Do you honestly think I would come into this argument not knowing that this lubricant wasn't officially sanctioned for use by Nissan? I gave you the answer by pointing to the rather obvious situation with the ACEA classifications, but instead of digesting that piece of information, you decided to argue with me instead.
Have you ever heard the saying about a person with a little bit of knowledge being dangerous? You've taken the Lubrizol relative performance tool and are behaving like it has turned you into a lubrication expert. It hasn't. Has it not occurred to you that these topics were probably discussed on this board in the past? do you think this stuff is NEW? It isn't new. We discussed the GT-R when the car came out and Nissan's stance on using Mobil 1 0w40 back then.
You've gone from posting like a complete newb to posting with authority. And you've done this within a very short period of time. So either you are giving yourself too much credit or this whole thing is a sham and you are a past member on a trolling expedition. Which is it?
If I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you truly are a newb, then I would suggest being less confrontational with long-standing members and considering their points before making efforts to rebut them, lest you wish to be made a fool of. And I'm certain that isn't your desire here, to look like a fool.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: blackman777
List of builder approvals: (snip)
You missed a few.
ACEA A3/B4, Nissan GT-R, VW 503 01, SAAB, OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025, OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025, FIAT 9.55535 - M2, FIAT 9.55535 - N2, FIAT 9.55535 - Z2
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Do you honestly think I would come into this argument not knowing that this lubricant wasn't officially sanctioned for use by Nissan?
I do not need to "believe" anything, because that's exactly what you did (see above). You claimed Nissan and a whole bunch of other carmakers "approved" the oil, when they did not. (They are not listed as official "builder approvals" by Mobil)
Now would you kindly stop arguing with me?
I would prefer to avoid arguments (or being called "a fool").
Originally Posted By: blackman777
List of builder approvals: (snip)
You missed a few.
ACEA A3/B4, Nissan GT-R, VW 503 01, SAAB, OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025, OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025, FIAT 9.55535 - M2, FIAT 9.55535 - N2, FIAT 9.55535 - Z2
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Do you honestly think I would come into this argument not knowing that this lubricant wasn't officially sanctioned for use by Nissan?
I do not need to "believe" anything, because that's exactly what you did (see above). You claimed Nissan and a whole bunch of other carmakers "approved" the oil, when they did not. (They are not listed as official "builder approvals" by Mobil)
Now would you kindly stop arguing with me?
I would prefer to avoid arguments (or being called "a fool").
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You've gone from posting like a complete newb to posting with authority. And you've done this within a very short period of time. So either you are giving yourself too much credit or this whole thing is a sham and you are a past member on a trolling expedition. [/quote]
Interesting.......and let's remember his original location post,and some talk of being banned.
Very interesting.
Anyways to answer the question originally posed and the title of this thread the answer is YES. Mobil 1 0w-40 is that great.
That is all
Interesting.......and let's remember his original location post,and some talk of being banned.
Very interesting.
Anyways to answer the question originally posed and the title of this thread the answer is YES. Mobil 1 0w-40 is that great.
That is all
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Originally Posted By: FoxS
Could a GTR owner get Mobil 1 0w40 free under that Moss Magnussen Act? Nissan are saying that durability cannot be ensured without it? They are treading a fine line here.
Nissan has a spec that needs to be met. That doesn't mean that other lubricants cannot obtain it, for they surely can. As of the writing of the publication, the only lubricant meeting it was Mobil 1 0w40, so that is what they've recommended.
I'm not sure how that would work with regards to the MM act, as Nissan isn't requiring the use of a specific oil, but rather the use of an oil that meets their specification, of which, at this point, there is only one.
Could a GTR owner get Mobil 1 0w40 free under that Moss Magnussen Act? Nissan are saying that durability cannot be ensured without it? They are treading a fine line here.
Nissan has a spec that needs to be met. That doesn't mean that other lubricants cannot obtain it, for they surely can. As of the writing of the publication, the only lubricant meeting it was Mobil 1 0w40, so that is what they've recommended.
I'm not sure how that would work with regards to the MM act, as Nissan isn't requiring the use of a specific oil, but rather the use of an oil that meets their specification, of which, at this point, there is only one.
Not an authority. Just a VWvortex member for the last ten years. And someone who looked at the Lubrizol graphs of the various specifications.
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Could a GTR owner get Mobil 1 0w40 free under that Moss Magnussen Act? Nissan are saying that durability cannot be ensured without it? They are treading a fine line here.
I've been wondering the same about GM's dexos certification. If I run Pennzoil Ultimate (not approved) instead of Pennzoil Platinum (dexos-approved), would GM try to void my engine warranty? The FTC website says they are not allowed to do that.
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Could a GTR owner get Mobil 1 0w40 free under that Moss Magnussen Act? Nissan are saying that durability cannot be ensured without it? They are treading a fine line here.
I've been wondering the same about GM's dexos certification. If I run Pennzoil Ultimate (not approved) instead of Pennzoil Platinum (dexos-approved), would GM try to void my engine warranty? The FTC website says they are not allowed to do that.
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
You've gone from posting like a complete newb to posting with authority. And you've done this within a very short period of time. So either you are giving yourself too much credit or this whole thing is a sham and you are a past member on a trolling expedition.
Interesting.......and let's remember his original location post,and some talk of being banned.
Very interesting.
Anyways to answer the question originally posed and the title of this thread the answer is YES. Mobil 1 0w-40 is that great.
That is all [/quote]
Lol yep a few people, including myself have said thats a possibility. Ask him about arx. If he goes off, he's C3PO.
You've gone from posting like a complete newb to posting with authority. And you've done this within a very short period of time. So either you are giving yourself too much credit or this whole thing is a sham and you are a past member on a trolling expedition.
Interesting.......and let's remember his original location post,and some talk of being banned.
Very interesting.
Anyways to answer the question originally posed and the title of this thread the answer is YES. Mobil 1 0w-40 is that great.
That is all [/quote]
Lol yep a few people, including myself have said thats a possibility. Ask him about arx. If he goes off, he's C3PO.
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Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: blackman777
List of builder approvals: (snip)
You missed a few.
ACEA A3/B4, Nissan GT-R, VW 503 01, SAAB, OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025, OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025, FIAT 9.55535 - M2, FIAT 9.55535 - N2, FIAT 9.55535 - Z2
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Do you honestly think I would come into this argument not knowing that this lubricant wasn't officially sanctioned for use by Nissan?
I do not need to "believe" anything, because that's exactly what you did (see above). You claimed Nissan and a whole bunch of other carmakers "approved" the oil, when they did not. At least: They are not listed as official "builder approvals" by Mobil
Now would you kindly stop arguing with me?
I would prefer to avoid arguments (or being called "a fool").
If you behave like a fool, I'll say so. You omitted the ACEA classifications as well as the Nissan GT-R classification from your original post because you BELIEVED that the only relevant mentions would be those under the builder approvals section. You were wrong in that regard.
With regards to the ones Mobil claims appropriate performance for, they may very well be self-test performance benchmarks and subsequently would also be classified differently. I mentioned that already. And the only way to find out for sure would be to contact Mobil. I don't recall other lubricants in the same vein as this oil claiming those specs, so there has to be something to Mobil's mention of them, otherwise every similar oil would mention them too.
That being said, this doesn't mean they aren't appropriate discussion points when speaking as to the performance of the lubricant, which was the title of the thread, was it not? "is it really that great?"
I don't believe you prefer to avoid arguments. Your approach appears to be very passive-aggressive, inciting controversy and then backing down from it.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: blackman777
List of builder approvals: (snip)
You missed a few.
ACEA A3/B4, Nissan GT-R, VW 503 01, SAAB, OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025, OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025, FIAT 9.55535 - M2, FIAT 9.55535 - N2, FIAT 9.55535 - Z2
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Do you honestly think I would come into this argument not knowing that this lubricant wasn't officially sanctioned for use by Nissan?
I do not need to "believe" anything, because that's exactly what you did (see above). You claimed Nissan and a whole bunch of other carmakers "approved" the oil, when they did not. At least: They are not listed as official "builder approvals" by Mobil
Now would you kindly stop arguing with me?
I would prefer to avoid arguments (or being called "a fool").
If you behave like a fool, I'll say so. You omitted the ACEA classifications as well as the Nissan GT-R classification from your original post because you BELIEVED that the only relevant mentions would be those under the builder approvals section. You were wrong in that regard.
With regards to the ones Mobil claims appropriate performance for, they may very well be self-test performance benchmarks and subsequently would also be classified differently. I mentioned that already. And the only way to find out for sure would be to contact Mobil. I don't recall other lubricants in the same vein as this oil claiming those specs, so there has to be something to Mobil's mention of them, otherwise every similar oil would mention them too.
That being said, this doesn't mean they aren't appropriate discussion points when speaking as to the performance of the lubricant, which was the title of the thread, was it not? "is it really that great?"
I don't believe you prefer to avoid arguments. Your approach appears to be very passive-aggressive, inciting controversy and then backing down from it.
Overkill: I am withdrawing from this argument. For some reason you've decided to hate me (including high school level name-calling). I don't care if I am hated. But I'm not going to feed you and your desire to attack other people with insults, just because of a trivial disagreement over words on a page. It isn't that important.
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Originally Posted By: blackman777
Not an authority. Just a VWvortex member for the last ten years. And someone who looked at the Lubrizol graphs of the various specifications.
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Could a GTR owner get Mobil 1 0w40 free under that Moss Magnussen Act? Nissan are saying that durability cannot be ensured without it? They are treading a fine line here.
I've been wondering the same about GM's dexos certification. If I run Pennzoil Ultimate (not approved) instead of Pennzoil Platinum (dexos-approved), would GM try to void my engine warranty? The FTC website says they are not allowed to do that.
And that's where we need to be clear about what we are reading. With regards to DEXOS, it is a spec that is required to be used in vehicles that call for it. GM isn't requiring you to use a specific lubricant, for which, if that were the case, they would have to provide to you free of charge because that's a violation of the MM act. Instead, they are requiring you to use a lubricant that meets their performance criteria, which any lubricant manufacturer can produce. So no, DEXOS wouldn't be a violation of MM.
Not an authority. Just a VWvortex member for the last ten years. And someone who looked at the Lubrizol graphs of the various specifications.
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Could a GTR owner get Mobil 1 0w40 free under that Moss Magnussen Act? Nissan are saying that durability cannot be ensured without it? They are treading a fine line here.
I've been wondering the same about GM's dexos certification. If I run Pennzoil Ultimate (not approved) instead of Pennzoil Platinum (dexos-approved), would GM try to void my engine warranty? The FTC website says they are not allowed to do that.
And that's where we need to be clear about what we are reading. With regards to DEXOS, it is a spec that is required to be used in vehicles that call for it. GM isn't requiring you to use a specific lubricant, for which, if that were the case, they would have to provide to you free of charge because that's a violation of the MM act. Instead, they are requiring you to use a lubricant that meets their performance criteria, which any lubricant manufacturer can produce. So no, DEXOS wouldn't be a violation of MM.
Thanks for clarifying.
The Germans are very fussy about which engine oil they use and the ones I know with good cars that like to use the very best synthetics all use one of three different oils,
Castrol Edge 5w40, LM Synthoil High Tech 5w40 or Mobil 1 0w40, so it is very defintely regarded as one of the best three oils.
Castrol Edge 5w40, LM Synthoil High Tech 5w40 or Mobil 1 0w40, so it is very defintely regarded as one of the best three oils.
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