Is it Over? Used Vehicle Market

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round here that phenomena goes w/the gas prices (esp w/certain populations).
I think the auto purchase might B an extension of their ego rather than common cents & practicality~
 
I prefer longer term low apr. Why not?
From a financial safety net perspective, those (insert monthly payment amount here) payments are still showing up every month, long after the manufacturers supplied warranty has expired. Now of course you can buy the extended warranties, however you are paying interest on said warranty which just adds to the monthly payment. To add, not many “consumers” purchase said extended warranty, leaving them wide open for an un expected financial hit all the while still making payments. I have seen many people freak out on the service drive when popped with a large repair bill while still making astronomical payments on a depreciating asset that just left them DOA. Extended term financing is the industries answer to over priced vehicles that most people really cant afford. Personally i dont buy “expensive” vehicles, never go over 5, i pay off early, and i keep socking that payment into savings in preparation for the next vehicle purchase. Now days the only way anyone should consider extended term financing is if they have a warranty that covers the term of the loan, which would require and extended service plan, which costs more money. My experience having worked in the car business for over 20 years, is that in 7 years, most modern vehicles are well over 100k miles, and pretty much clapped out. Dont get me wrong there are still decent high mileage pre owned vehicles that are traded in, but most are not. Personally, 7 years later, i wouldnt want to be making the same payments the day i traded in a turd as the day that i purchased said turd brand new. The best was when dealerships were offering 72mo 0%. They called it 0% blind, because most people didnt realize that you either took the term and lost all incentives, or you took the incentives but on a shorter term. Most of the time it was a better deal to short term and pay interest, but all the “consumer” saw was the lower monthly payment, so they would finance the extended term. Dealers absolutely loved 72 @ 0 because they made more money.
 
From a financial safety net perspective, those (insert monthly payment amount here) payments are still showing up every month, long after the manufacturers supplied warranty has expired. Now of course you can buy the extended warranties, however you are paying interest on said warranty which just adds to the monthly payment. To add, not many “consumers” purchase said extended warranty, leaving them wide open for an un expected financial hit all the while still making payments. I have seen many people freak out on the service drive when popped with a large repair bill while still making astronomical payments on a depreciating asset that just left them DOA. Extended term financing is the industries answer to over priced vehicles that most people really cant afford. Personally i dont buy “expensive” vehicles, never go over 5, i pay off early, and i keep socking that payment into savings in preparation for the next vehicle purchase. Now days the only way anyone should consider extended term financing is if they have a warranty that covers the term of the loan, which would require and extended service plan, which costs more money. My experience having worked in the car business for over 20 years, is that in 7 years, most modern vehicles are well over 100k miles, and pretty much clapped out. Dont get me wrong there are still decent high mileage pre owned vehicles that are traded in, but most are not. Personally, 7 years later, i wouldnt want to be making the same payments the day i traded in a turd as the day that i purchased said turd brand new. The best was when dealerships were offering 72mo 0%. They called it 0% blind, because most people didnt realize that you either took the term and lost all incentives, or you took the incentives but on a shorter term. Most of the time it was a better deal to short term and pay interest, but all the “consumer” saw was the lower monthly payment, so they would finance the extended term. Dealers absolutely loved 72 @ 0 because they made more money.
I do buy extended warranties, typically paying cash for them, for the reason you state.

Just because I finsnce 72mo, doesn't mean I can't pay it off in 60 or 48, it just means I don't HAVE to.
 
From what I can tell, a 23-year old pickup can haul stuff just as well as a brand-new one. It may not have a 17" screen and a 12-speaker stereo, but who needs that fluff?
No doubt... I have NO interest in any truck from growing up riding in one, usually in the bed as there were no protective laws with that sort of thing back then and of course we thought it was awesome. Some modern day trucks are a bit much in design/features and of course some just have to have the 'latest/greatest'. By far the most ridiculous thing I've seen on any truck lately was one with the massive R A M lettering on the tailgate. I honestly could read that 1/8 mile from me. Guess the dude really wants others to know what he likes to drive, lmao...
 
Had a friend trade in a 2016 Full Loaded XLT Explorer to Carmax for $16,000.00. A couple of days later it's on the website for $27,988. I haven't looked-but I find it hard to believe there is that much of a (book) spread-so I'm thinking the almost $28,000.00 is well beyond bluebook. She has an NEW Arcadia AT4 on order paying over MSRP. She says she is all in at $53,000.00.
They gave me $16,900 for my 2018 Forester with 42000 miles, no AC and an "accident". After they came by and completed the sale, they stuck a wholesale sticker on it. I found it at a dealer in Ohio for $22000. That's more than I paid new!

Fine with me. I was able to cash in on the equity, get out of a payment and buy a bucket list beater with that money. I'm enjoying not having a payment and cheaper insurance.
 
@brianl703 you can't put anything in the bed of my 21 year old truck. There's no bed floor left. It is literally only for towing. It's a good beater truck though.

I think the problem for a lot of us is rust. A 7-8yr/old pickup is going to start to have rust issues in rust-belt areas unless the owner(s) have been very proactive. I've seen 2014 Chevy Silverados with the frames rusted to pieces, where the body doesn't look bad at all.

Here in the syracuse area, I've seen 2016 Superduty trucks with the beds collapsed! Going back a year or two! That's a 5 /6 year old truck with a collapsed bed due to rust!
 
and you can always repaint a car, fix what is needed, upgrade what you want, and it should still be cheaper than buying new.
True. But what price is safety? My only reason for buying new these days is safety, given how badly ppl drive ,esp in Phila . All my “old” cars are perfect in every way but for safety. Every time I get in to drive, I ask myself “will I get hit today ?” Giant pups, especially.
 
I do buy extended warranties, typically paying cash for them, for the reason you state.

Just because I finsnce 72mo, doesn't mean I can't pay it off in 60 or 48, it just means I don't HAVE to.
Cool. My perspective is from working in the business everyday, having personal relationships with UCD’s NCD’s and GM’s, and i can assure you that most people are not financially responsible enough to roll like that. Most are over extended even with long term financing.
 
round here that phenomena goes w/the gas prices (esp w/certain populations).
I think the auto purchase might B an extension of their ego rather than common cents & practicality~
Many auto purchases are driven by emotion. Not anything new here. How many pickups are bought "for the look?" PLENTY!
 
Cool. My perspective is from working in the business everyday, having personal relationships with UCD’s NCD’s and GM’s, and i can assure you that most people are not financially responsible enough to roll like that. Most are over extended even with long term financing.
My D/I is far from over extended, but situations change, and a lower mandatory minimum payment offers flexibility. I try to put 20% or so down and finance for the longest rate I can that won't affect my interest rate. This time it was 75mo/2.24%
 
Used small sedans such as civics still pulling strong numbers. Seeing those go for 110% to usual market price. Trucks have softened the past 6 weeks.
I don't see used market returning to normal for another 18 to 24 months. And who knows what the new normal wiil be.
One indicator is rental company sales to dealers.
I was used to seeing 1300 on a "for sale" list. Now I'm seeing 20, and all have high miles.
 
i had a 2015 hyundai tucson. 38k miles on it. traded back in february for a 2022 ford ranger. at the time kbb had the trade-in value at 15-17k. i just checked its kbb value & added 3k miles for good measure. the trade-in value increased to 17-19k. person to person was 21.5k. i just paid 26k for it brand new.
 
From a financial safety net perspective, those (insert monthly payment amount here) payments are still showing up every month, long after the manufacturers supplied warranty has expired. Now of course you can buy the extended warranties, however you are paying interest on said warranty which just adds to the monthly payment. To add, not many “consumers” purchase said extended warranty, leaving them wide open for an un expected financial hit all the while still making payments. I have seen many people freak out on the service drive when popped with a large repair bill while still making astronomical payments on a depreciating asset that just left them DOA. Extended term financing is the industries answer to over priced vehicles that most people really cant afford. Personally i dont buy “expensive” vehicles, never go over 5, i pay off early, and i keep socking that payment into savings in preparation for the next vehicle purchase. Now days the only way anyone should consider extended term financing is if they have a warranty that covers the term of the loan, which would require and extended service plan, which costs more money. My experience having worked in the car business for over 20 years, is that in 7 years, most modern vehicles are well over 100k miles, and pretty much clapped out. Dont get me wrong there are still decent high mileage pre owned vehicles that are traded in, but most are not. Personally, 7 years later, i wouldnt want to be making the same payments the day i traded in a turd as the day that i purchased said turd brand new. The best was when dealerships were offering 72mo 0%. They called it 0% blind, because most people didnt realize that you either took the term and lost all incentives, or you took the incentives but on a shorter term. Most of the time it was a better deal to short term and pay interest, but all the “consumer” saw was the lower monthly payment, so they would finance the extended term. Dealers absolutely loved 72 @ 0 because they made more money.
The payment term extending beyond the warranty isn't really a big concern of mine.

If I think a car isn't reliable, I'm not buying it in the first place.

Now I have different expectations for a $2500 beater (I know, dated reference, can you even get one in 2nd Q 2022?) than I do a 25k new or used car (same caveat applies.)

That's usually how I shut down the F&I guy. When he or she (it's always been a he as of this writing) starts with the scare tactics, I just tell them they are making the case for me to exit the deal now, and not buy the car.

But then I have the resources to either pay off the car or absorb a costly repair, so there is little value in either an extended warranty or not taking the 0% money for as long as I can.

Given we are paying a loan back with less valuable dollars due to inflation, I'm really up many percentage points as the dollars I'm using to pay off our RAV4 are worth about 18% less than they were in late 2016 when we bought the car.

Not to mention, I was able to keep them in the market for some gains that admittedly, some have been lost since 1 January.

But $10k left in an S&P index fund in October of 2016 is worth about $23,2xx today, even with the pullbacks at the beginning of 2022.

I could buy 2+ RAV4's with the money earned by not paying cash in October 2016.

But I'm still money ahead over where I was 66 months ago, so it's been a net gain to take the low interest money and pay it back with inflation devalued currency.
 
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