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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Anyone have a recommendation for a fund like QLENX that I dont need to drop $1M into to rnter?


If you had $1M cash would you invest in this fund verses something else like a total stock market fund ?
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Anyone have a recommendation for a fund like QLENX that I dont need to drop $1M into to rnter?


If you had $1M cash would you invest in this fund verses something else like a total stock market fund ?


QLENX has a monstrous 1.6% expense ratio, that's $16,000 in expense a year for 1M.
By contrast Vanguard Equity Income Admiral has an expense ration of 0.17%, that's only $1,700 a year in expense.
So there's that.
 
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Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Anyone have a recommendation for a fund like QLENX that I dont need to drop $1M into to rnter?


If you had $1M cash would you invest in this fund verses something else like a total stock market fund ?


QLENX has a monstrous 1.6% expense ratio, that's $16,000 in expense a year for 1M.
By contrast Vanguard Equity Income Admiral has an expense ration of 0.17%, that's only $1,700 a year in expense.
So there's that.


And I didnt ask for your assessment of expenses; I asked for knowledge of similar funds with lower minimum investments. I was/am interested in the fund's schemes and performance (granted its new).

If I had $1M to put into one fund, chances are Id have many more $Ms to spread elsewhere. If I only had a mere $1M, likely it would be diversified into a variety of funds.

So how about the question rather than speculating on anything else? There are tons of mutual funds with horrid expenses, loads, etc. Whether they are good investments or not is NOT the point.

Dont worry, we have plenty of money in Vanguard
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What a week! have big gains across the board.
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Took a little more profit today. I now have ~28% cash. Should be good enough for a dip. Last fall I had 15 stocks and it was getting an issue keeping track of it all. Now have just 7 stocks. Much easier to manage.

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Originally Posted By: dblshock
Originally Posted By: dblshock
ITIC, read an article on Alpha this morning and went short @ $156.75, held all day still not covered but whoa...wished they all behaved like this.


still holding..



covered this one early today $132.60. long VIPS $11.66
 
Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Which dividend stocks did you load up on ?



Data center REITs. Digital Realty (DLR) and Dupont Fabros (DFT) are the best two because of their core (transport, infrastructure) focus which attracts bigger players (Amazon, Google, FB).

The CES convention started today and from the looks of it, personal data usage and storage needs will increase SIGNIFICANTLY in the coming months due to... fitbits (morons sharing so much about their lives), the internet of things, more smartphone apps talking to cloud-based servers, and every new device spying on everything and spewing such inordinate amounts of data, no responsible IT org. would dare processing this in-house. So cloud it is.

Oh and and self-driving cars as well and partially driver-assisting systems from Denso, Aisin, Johnson Controls, Valeo, Honeywell... will only increase the need for data transfer and more data centers.

Since Data Center REITs pay no corporate tax (pass-through entity provided they pay out 90% of profits as dividends), they have an unfair competitive advantage and the most profitable corporate shell for data centers.

So basically Data Center REITs are a high dividend security which is also a growth security (value appreciates). Usually you have either, but here you can have both.
I see it as a way to turn the cloud and smartphone frenzy into dividends in my pocket.

Please don't take my word for it, do your own research.



Thx, agree, do you favor one over the other?
 
Originally Posted By: dblshock
Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Which dividend stocks did you load up on ?



Data center REITs. Digital Realty (DLR) and Dupont Fabros (DFT) are the best two because of their core (transport, infrastructure) focus which attracts bigger players (Amazon, Google, FB).

The CES convention started today and from the looks of it, personal data usage and storage needs will increase SIGNIFICANTLY in the coming months due to... fitbits (morons sharing so much about their lives), the internet of things, more smartphone apps talking to cloud-based servers, and every new device spying on everything and spewing such inordinate amounts of data, no responsible IT org. would dare processing this in-house. So cloud it is.

Oh and and self-driving cars as well and partially driver-assisting systems from Denso, Aisin, Johnson Controls, Valeo, Honeywell... will only increase the need for data transfer and more data centers.

Since Data Center REITs pay no corporate tax (pass-through entity provided they pay out 90% of profits as dividends), they have an unfair competitive advantage and the most profitable corporate shell for data centers.

So basically Data Center REITs are a high dividend security which is also a growth security (value appreciates). Usually you have either, but here you can have both.
I see it as a way to turn the cloud and smartphone frenzy into dividends in my pocket.

Please don't take my word for it, do your own research.



Thx, agree, do you favor one over the other?


Bigger Picture

The spectacular gains during the first half of 2016 turned many long-term investors into traders, as unprecedented gains prompted portfolio rebalancing. These gaudy gains had gotten the attention of many "me too" investors who jumped in at the highs, creating frothy valuations.

However, the underlying fundamentals that are driving growth for the six data center REITs is not going away. In many cases, the growth drivers are accelerating going into 2017, including: Internet of Things (IoT), sometimes referred to as M2M, or machine-to-machine communication; Virtual Realty, or VR (such as augmented reality game sensation Pokémon Go); streaming OTT content; and social media.

By far the most relevant and actionable driver has been the massive wave of public cloud leasing which began to grow in 2014, accelerated noticeably during 2015, and burst onto the scene in 2016. This resulted in unprecedented net-absorption in Northern Virginia last year, the largest US Tier 1 data center market, often called Data Center Alley.

Cloud provider demand has spurred expansions in existing building shells, new ground-up data center builds, and site acquisitions for future development. However, what remains to be seen is what actually will be the "new normal" going forward in large markets including: Dallas, Chicago, Silicon Valley, Seattle/Portland and Phoenix.

Reits
 
Originally Posted By: dblshock
Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Which dividend stocks did you load up on ?



Data center REITs. Digital Realty (DLR) and Dupont Fabros (DFT) are the best two because of their core (transport, infrastructure) focus which attracts bigger players (Amazon, Google, FB).

The CES convention started today and from the looks of it, personal data usage and storage needs will increase SIGNIFICANTLY in the coming months due to... fitbits (morons sharing so much about their lives), the internet of things, more smartphone apps talking to cloud-based servers, and every new device spying on everything and spewing such inordinate amounts of data, no responsible IT org. would dare processing this in-house. So cloud it is.

Oh and and self-driving cars as well and partially driver-assisting systems from Denso, Aisin, Johnson Controls, Valeo, Honeywell... will only increase the need for data transfer and more data centers.

Since Data Center REITs pay no corporate tax (pass-through entity provided they pay out 90% of profits as dividends), they have an unfair competitive advantage and the most profitable corporate shell for data centers.

So basically Data Center REITs are a high dividend security which is also a growth security (value appreciates). Usually you have either, but here you can have both.
I see it as a way to turn the cloud and smartphone frenzy into dividends in my pocket.

Please don't take my word for it, do your own research.



Thx, agree, do you favor one over the other?


Digital Reality is the largest. In 2016 it was added to the SP500 when Time Warner was taken out. Because of its size it gets preferential loan rates which is an advantage over others now that Fed rates is raising. It will grow steadily.
Dupont Fabros is much smaller, so it has more room to appreciate. It is also a tad riskier but given how data centers grow as an industry right now, their aggressivity will pay off. It pays a higher dividend.

Both are fine. As with anything it's risk vs expected rate of return.
 
Originally Posted By: dblshock
"because of their core (transport, infrastructure) "

Please elaborate further.


Broadly speaking there are two kinds of data centers:
The first kind is data centers which own and operate their own racks and servers and lease "cloud time" on these machines.
The second kind is data centers that provide power, fiber internet and cooling but you have to bring your own racks and servers and manage them yourself.
Digital Realty (DLR) and Dupont Fabros (DFT) are part of the second kind.
Major cloud players like Google, Amazon or Facebook have their own way of rolling out racks, their own equipment. Facebook even started designing their own switches. For these big players, the first kind of data center would be a logistical nightmare, they have to go with the second kind (the one I referred to earlier as transport/infrastructure). That's good for DLR/DFT because leases with these big guys are longer term and they pay their bills.

Also "the first kind" needs to invest significantly in R&D and cloud management software. Today there is no one right solution: VMWare, KVM, Xen etc... cloud software gets old fast then your customers leave to chase a newer shinier object. It's a drain on R&D. I think it pays off better to be a simple provider of data center real estate, power, connectivity and cooling like DFT/DLR. They may turn away the little guys but they do one thing and do it well.

Does it make sense? Anyway that's just my take on it, I'd be happy to hear what anyone else has to say on data center REITs. I'm surprised these REITs are not in the news more given the cloud-happy bonanza of things to come on display at CES right now.
 
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Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
What a week! have big gains across the board.
thumbsup2.gif


Took a little more profit today. I now have ~28% cash. Should be good enough for a dip. Last fall I had 15 stocks and it was getting an issue keeping track of it all. Now have just 7 stocks. Much easier to manage.

coffee2.gif


Which are your 7 holdings.
 
Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: dblshock
"because of their core (transport, infrastructure) "

Please elaborate further.


Broadly speaking there are two kinds of data centers:
The first kind is data centers which own and operate their own racks and servers and lease "cloud time" on these machines.
The second kind is data centers that provide power, fiber internet and cooling but you have to bring your own racks and servers and manage them yourself.
Digital Realty (DLR) and Dupont Fabros (DFT) are part of the second kind.
Major cloud players like Google, Amazon or Facebook have their own way of rolling out racks, their own equipment. Facebook even started designing their own switches. For these big players, the first kind of data center would be a logistical nightmare, they have to go with the second kind (the one I referred to earlier as transport/infrastructure). That's good for DLR/DFT because leases with these big guys are longer term and they pay their bills.

Also "the first kind" needs to invest significantly in R&D and cloud management software. Today there is no one right solution: VMWare, KVM, Xen etc... cloud software gets old fast then your customers leave to chase a newer shinier object. It's a drain on R&D. I think it pays off better to be a simple provider of data center real estate, power, connectivity and cooling like DFT/DLR. They may turn away the little guys but they do one thing and do it well.

Does it make sense? Anyway that's just my take on it, I'd be happy to hear what anyone else has to say on data center REITs. I'm surprised these REITs are not in the news more given the cloud-happy bonanza of things to come on display at CES right now.



Yes, Thank You.
 
Originally Posted By: dblshock
Originally Posted By: dblshock
Originally Posted By: dblshock
ITIC, read an article on Alpha this morning and went short @ $156.75, held all day still not covered but whoa...wished they all behaved like this.


still holding..



covered this one early today $132.60. long VIPS $11.66


VIPS showing big drop. Doubling down or stop loss?
 
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