Ken2, if the vehicle in question isn't using oil at an alarming rate, what's the harm in the extra phosphorous content? I realize that cat poisoning is a concern, hence why they keep lowering the amounts of it and zinc, but if consumption isn't an issue, I would want the beefiest additive package that I could get my hands, er, eh, pistons on to.
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If Amsoil is implying that the European formula 5w40 will work then are they not also assuming a lot of liability if there is engine damage/warranty claims? If they back it up then there should not be an issue.
While I agree with your logic, the logic of "it aint a problem until there's a problem" also applies. If someone has the money and can fork out the money for an engine repair and can afford a lawyer to settle with the parties involved, then there is no problem using a recommended, but not tested by the auto manufacturer oil.
JKH
You speak the truth. From my dealings with Volkswagon they are wanting to be more than they are and probably would appreciate any wiggle room sent their way. I believe implied liability is a major sticking point that brings on class action law suits.
Obviously the wisest course of action is always to use exactly what the manufacturer recommends during the warranty period. With respect to VW, this was at one time somewhat more complicated due to limited availability of the proper oil. However there are now quite a number of of different quality oils which meet VW 502 approval (pdf file).
I agree vizvo. I will probably give the GC a try and see how it turns out. Using BC at the moment and from what I have read on here it is an old oil. Wish I could use the AMSOIL 5w-40 and not worry about the VAG. Got a case of it which I will use in my truck. From what I can tell it is a good oil.
James
James
You guys do know the bottle pictured in the VW brochure is an Amsoil bottle?
Amsoil meets the requirements of that brochure - even though that brochure is NOT a legally binding agreement (like your warranty).
I still fail to see the hesitancy.
Amsoil meets the requirements of that brochure - even though that brochure is NOT a legally binding agreement (like your warranty).
I still fail to see the hesitancy.
Uh buster - Amsoil does test their oils. (I know what you are saying - send it to the API, for testing...)
The test sequences are expensive. Many housands of dollars. The API EOLCS licensing fee is $850 and covers the first million gallons of lubricationg oiul produced under that license, then there is a $0.0015 (aproximately nothing) fee per gallon, but by buyng a license they risk of getting called on whether they actually ran the tests or not.
When an oil company says they meet or exceed an oil spec it makes me wonder how they know they meet the spec without actually running the tests?
The claim that the API fees are exobhanant is ridiculous. It's the testing that is high and if they really did the testingm then the API fees are pocket change. The only reasonable conclusion is that they didn't run the tests required to determine if they actually meet the specs.
How come no one reads my posts?
Amsoil mainly objects to the formulation control. Period.
Amsoil mainly objects to the formulation control. Period.
If I wanted to read your posts, I could just reading Amsoil's webpage.
Seriously, I don't see it being an issue. Just keep your drain intervals reasonable to avoid any possible oil related failure down the line which is highly unlikely.
Pablo, you talk about how Amsoil doesn't like to conform to API rules. Well lately, they seem to be doing just that. API SM GF-4 for all the 30wt oils. Redline is still using a ton of ZDDP.
To each blender, his own formulation. Isn't that the very root of capitalism and free trade?!?
Every oil that I've used has had a different formulation, some good, some bad, some indifferent from the next, some very different in composition of the additive package. I enjoy the opportunities to try the different oils, staying well within a reasonable OCI so that if the oil does not last as well as it should, I've done no harm, and the crap is outta my crankcase.
Just because Amsoil might be changing their formulations doesn't make them worse or better, just different, but I'm sure that they offer the same protection ability that they did before. Heck, even MolaKule has stated that a lot of the organo-metallic compounds that are being used in the additive packages these days DON'T show up on a normal OA.
Quite frankly, I don't understand most everyone on this forums' fascination with Mobil 1 products, or even GC for that matter. Screw the big corporations and support the tax paying middle guy once in a while eh!!!
Every oil that I've used has had a different formulation, some good, some bad, some indifferent from the next, some very different in composition of the additive package. I enjoy the opportunities to try the different oils, staying well within a reasonable OCI so that if the oil does not last as well as it should, I've done no harm, and the crap is outta my crankcase.
Just because Amsoil might be changing their formulations doesn't make them worse or better, just different, but I'm sure that they offer the same protection ability that they did before. Heck, even MolaKule has stated that a lot of the organo-metallic compounds that are being used in the additive packages these days DON'T show up on a normal OA.
buster - I do think Amsoil is starting to conform under Alan.
Small blenders like Amsoil and others strive to put the latest and best lubricants they can on the market. Those oils with a starburst for example have additive packs that have been formulated usually by an additive company, tested by the API, and then sold as a
API approved oil. I don't believe the blender has any special hoops to jump thru as long as he uses the API approved "package" that the additive company sells them. These add packs can remain on the market for as long as the current standards exist. So there is really no innovation during this time to improve the product.
As Amsoil upgrades oils pretty frequently (compared to others)
They chose not to have each "package" given a starburst.
Craig
API approved oil. I don't believe the blender has any special hoops to jump thru as long as he uses the API approved "package" that the additive company sells them. These add packs can remain on the market for as long as the current standards exist. So there is really no innovation during this time to improve the product.
As Amsoil upgrades oils pretty frequently (compared to others)
They chose not to have each "package" given a starburst.
Craig
buster, I realize that unfortunately, small blenders have to buy components from larger manufacturers, but the end product is some small time professional, who puts his/her reputation and knowledge totally into the finished product, not what some computer outlined for them. The big guys, granted, have the money to do loads of research and development into the finished product. I just "feel" better knowing that someone "took the time" to make a superior quality product, as opposed to just being "part of the program".
I hope that you understand what I'm getting at, and am glad that you feel the way I do.
I hope that you understand what I'm getting at, and am glad that you feel the way I do.
Pablo, buster, do you guys not get it? If something happens with his engine, takes it in, they ask what oil it is, see it is not on the list, deny his warranty claim despite it not being the oils fault(!!), he is stuck with a $3k+ out of pocket repair, just because the stupid oil didn't say 5XX.XX approved. It comes down to the oil, not how good it is, but a number, on the dang bottle with the correct wording, and not this mumbo jumbo runaround b.s.
If it aint on the list, don't use it until the warranty is up. After that use whatever you want, oil related problems are rare, however, the dealers are gonna do what they can to get out of warranty work.
If it aint on the list, don't use it until the warranty is up. After that use whatever you want, oil related problems are rare, however, the dealers are gonna do what they can to get out of warranty work.
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