Interesting Observation Bob Is The Oil Guy

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Some good points, discussions are good, peeing matches are not, I've been sucked into a few myself. So I've become a fan of the "ignore" button, so I can block those who just want to "stir it up". I wish more people would just block or ignore those few, so they'd go away as no one would play their games.
 
Originally Posted By: Turk
Good thread, but why is this in the Oil Additives section?



Some of the worst most recent threads have been here due to one troll in particular.

IGNORE button folks!
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I have been a member of bitgo for a very long time. When I came here and became a member there were only a little over 1000 members. Now there are many times that number.

I do remember when there were a lot of problems when religion, politics and sex could still be discussed here. The owners wisely stopped discussion in those areas. When discussion of religion and politics were allowed there was some unbelieveable hatred and insanity displayed at this website. I was shocked myself by the amount of pure hate displayed by some people. I do not blame the owners of this website for stopping discussion in those areas.

But it did tend to be more professional in the 'old days' and there seemed to be in general more polite discussion.

I guess it has to be expected that when membership increases to the amount that it is today there are bound to be more bad apples in the mix. I think there are a few people who just like to disrupt discussions. There are other immature people who do not know how to debate and discuss and attack posters and people replying to posts rather than offering counterpoints to whatever they disagree with.

Occasionally people will start posting at this website who have some kind of an agenda, such as trying to get people to buy a questionable motor oil. I can't really blame people here who get upset about this sort of thing. A good example was when the Synlube guy/guys starting to post here. I think that bitgo people really should be praised for standing up to this kind of nonsense and teaming up to expose the distortions. Actually I was really proud of a lot of people here during that time.

I would like to see polite and reasonable discussions and debates here and less personal attacks on posters. If somebody has to resort to personal attacks they apparently do not have much of a case for their position.

Just the thoughts of a longtime member.
 
Originally Posted By: Gabe
[censored], even Bob left.

That brings up something I have wondered for a while: where did Bob (or any of the no longer active early members) go? Bob's last post was more than five years ago and there was no farewell or even a hint that he was leaving the boards, as far as I can tell. Just a post about moly-containing grease and then *POOF*, nothing. I hope nothing bad happened to him. Does anyone have any personal knowledge as to Bob's current situation?
 
We need to bring back the side-bar chat thingy, to help resolve issues right there and then
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It used to be there at some point, IDK what happened....
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Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Originally Posted By: Gabe
[censored], even Bob left.

That brings up something I have wondered for a while: where did Bob (or any of the no longer active early members) go? Bob's last post was more than five years ago and there was no farewell or even a hint that he was leaving the boards, as far as I can tell. Just a post about moly-containing grease and then *POOF*, nothing. I hope nothing bad happened to him. Does anyone have any personal knowledge as to Bob's current situation?


It's been posted before. Bob got sick, very sick, and sold the site. IDK if he's still alive.
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Originally Posted By: Gabe
[censored], even Bob left.

That brings up something I have wondered for a while: where did Bob (or any of the no longer active early members) go? Bob's last post was more than five years ago and there was no farewell or even a hint that he was leaving the boards, as far as I can tell. Just a post about moly-containing grease and then *POOF*, nothing. I hope nothing bad happened to him. Does anyone have any personal knowledge as to Bob's current situation?


It's been posted before. Bob got sick, very sick, and sold the site. IDK if he's still alive.

Sad to hear. Thanks for the info.
 
You guy,s have made some good points and had some very informative replies which is nice see.I have learned alot since being here for a short time.Thank you for the knowledge,i like to learn something new everyday.

"My wife says i never listen to her anymore or something to that effect,i don,t know i was,nt really paying attention"
 
I've noticed a lot more whining on BITOG over the last couple of years.
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Not directed at the OP, just a general observation.

I remember when I joined in '06 it was like stumbling upon a wealth of information that answered questions I had that were not answered by model-specific forums. I think with growing membership, the overall quality of contributions has gone down and I don't get as much out of it as I used to, but I obviously still enjoy posting here and enjoy reading the contributions of many regulars.

I always give people the benefit of the doubt at first, but have been an [censored] at times when I felt reasoning with someone was out the window.
 
Well, I've learned a lot. For example, I had no idea how useless an "SN" designation would be by itself (although I doubt you could find an oil that only had this designation). I didn't realize how little difference there is between synthetic and conventional oil at normal drain intervals. I didn't know that Motorcraft was a better than average product. (Yes, I know VW has the most demanding standards). I didn't know that you could experiment with oil viscosity with so little effect. I didn't know that there were big differences in how different makes of engines chewed up the oil. "X engines are easy on oil" is something I've only seen here. I only drive about 7.5K per year, but I thought I had to at least change the oil twice a year with the seasons. BITOG disabused me of that.

Sure, there is some huffing and puffing, this is the internet after all, but most people are polite and helpful and here, in the end, it all comes down to the numbers. That's 10X better than doing what your daddy did, or what 'Jack who takes really good care of his cars' does.

The paradox is, it doesn't matter much. The technology has overtaken your hobby. Looking at UOA after UOA, it appears that 5K oil changes are fine, and 99 percent of the time so are 7K changes. More, if you do significant highway driving. Honestly, I don't know what the attraction is of changing a boutique oil at 5K and ordering an analysis to figure out what everyone knows; its fine and had plenty of life left.

I've come to realize that the best thing I can do for my car ("ROI" as some of you call it) is to take a mildly conservative maintenance plan, but take better care of my car's cosmetics. Its not something that comes naturally to me, but its a realization I owe party to you all. I have also come to realize that I need to be more careful about the quality of gas I put in my car. That's a piece of conventional wisdom that has changed for the worse. I also learned that from this site.

So thank you all.
 
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I find myself sticking my head more in the general topics, general auto, and mechanical sections now and pretty much completely ignoring the oil section. It was informative 8 years ago, but not so much anymore.

And I miss seeing some of the people who used to post here.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
I've noticed a lot more whining on BITOG over the last couple of years.
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Not directed at the OP, just a general observation.

I remember when I joined in '06 it was like stumbling upon a wealth of information that answered questions I had that were not answered by model-specific forums. I think with growing membership, the overall quality of contributions has gone down and I don't get as much out of it as I used to, but I obviously still enjoy posting here and enjoy reading the contributions of many regulars.

I always give people the benefit of the doubt at first, but have been an [censored] at times when I felt reasoning with someone was out the window.



Yeah, I noticed that too...

Hard to teach when you have 10x the students...


Kinda like a classroom here sometimes...smartie pants, clowns, and all....
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A person posting a thread about a forum going downhill reveals more about himself than about the forum.
 
i have seen people on this site be the MOST compassionate, and kind to other people, even more so than i have seen in some churches.
 
Evolution of a forum.
Not much new info, but many new members; means the same questions get asked again and again and most people get sick of re-stating what is already out there, so it turns a bit trollish. Not to mention the actual troll posts by real members who don't even know they're trolling.

I still like the general info I glean from reading BITOG. When I encounter a question, I run a google site search and that comes up with my answer.

Ganging up on trolls should be allowed as long as moderators allow the trolls to continue to start those threads, in my opinion.
 
It's still a pretty good forum. I know that at times....I let loose with some highly opinionated posts that should have been toned down a bit. But at least I feel I can be myself without getting banned. I know that this place has given me much valuable info and provided me with entertainment as well. No....it's not 'jumped the shark' just yet.
 
As member #407 I've seen a lot of folks come and go, many of which I miss, some not so much. As you can see I mostly read and post little, but still return often. I appreciate the strictness that goes on here to keep things (and people) in order and in line.

It's a far cry from when I talked to Bob on the phone concerning a problem member many years back....the membership is just enormous now. I still enjoy it and thank those that make it possible.
 
Originally Posted By: jamesonel
Bob is the oil guy is a very informative site with alot of good people and good information,this is why i joined.I have found it very educational.Personal experiences,stats,uoa,s are all good in my opinion.There are a few that i feel like to come on and start bullying people or simply starts fights which i feel is very sad.It breaks my heart to see grown men come on and gang up on someone.This is,nt a personal playground where you can vent out all you underlaying personal problems while embarrassing yourselves.Some members are not as knowledgable as others,and we need to be patient with them.Life is too short,try and get along.


It's a discussion forum, and you need to develop a thick skin. There are a number of folks on here that are more than willing to be blunt and honest, and call things exactly as they see them. I personally find someone who says exactly what they mean rather refreshing, even if I may not agree with what they say.

If being blunt and honest hurts your feelings, you're certainly welcome to use the ignore feature. And if it really does make you feel "very sad" and "break your heart" then you need to seek mental help and get your emotional state in check.
 
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
As member #407 I've seen a lot of folks come and go, many of which I miss, some not so much. As you can see I mostly read and post little, but still return often. I appreciate the strictness that goes on here to keep things (and people) in order and in line.


As member #398, I can agree w this. But I also keep in mind that I have a choice as to whether I repost info that I or others have beat to death already. I still catch myself reading them though, as I know some info has changed or updated since I started here.
 
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