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Thanks for the reply. I kinda figured it was a volume thing. There would be an awful lot of additional SKUs required for the car space and the price would likely deter many from purchasing.
Yeah, probably not the only reason, but certainly a big one. Cummins Filtration already carries over 8,000 SKUs today and pass car would create even more complexity...our path to market is mostly geared at HD markets anyways.
 
Are you sure?

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/businesspersons-guide-federal-warranty-law

"Finally, the Act does not apply to warranties on products sold for resale or for commercial purposes."
That's not how I was instructed on the matter, but I'm also open to being corrected too. I'll check with legal to see if there are any nuances there that specific to the markets we serve today. One thing I've learned with some of the large off-highway OEMs is that many of them offer maintenance programs for buyers of brand new equipment, often times for the first couple of years after brand new, that covers free maintenance events so there's really no incentive for changing to aftermarket product with a brand new machine anyways. As soon as that program is over though, that's when it may benefit a user to opt for upgraded filtration.
 
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Here's a look at what you can expect between different filters in the marketplace, at least on the HD side of things. I realize this is a bit of cherry picking and only looking at one filter part number, but it is a good representation of what we commonly see from other filter brands in the marketplace (legacy media like cellulose and micro-glass) versus a higher technology media solution like NanoNet (fully synthetic, continuous polymer fibers).

CAT vs Fleetguard Fuel Filters.webp
 
Let me see if I can answer your question without being too vague. Cummins Filtration does perform extensive testing of oil grades, filter media grades and finished good filtration products (both our own designs as well as competitive filters) in both laboratory settings and real-world testing environments...what we call field validation work.
Thanks for all that info in Post #12. I was wondering if any tests were done to compare the efficiency of lab tested filters (per an industry standard like ISO 4548-12 or similar) to correlate oil cleanliness and engine wear rates in the field with the use of different efficiency oil filters. I know there have been studies done in the past and have found and read a few studies (Cummings and Pall Corporation I believe, and a few SAE studies).

There are some people who believe that a more efficient oil filter doesn't really matter in the field and doesn't result in cleaner oil and less engine wear in the field. Where they get that idea is a mystory to me. Of course we all know there are other factors involved in the field like oil sump capacity, engine design, engine health, OCI lenght, air filter efficiency, etc. But I'm talking if all those other factors were held constant and only the efficiency of the oil filter was the factor involved in controlling oil cleanliness. So just wanted to know if you have any other info or insight to the relationiship between oil filter efficiency, oil cleanliness and the effect on engine wear (with all other factors held constant) that you could share. Thanks.
 
Good question. Cummins Filtration has been manufacturing a proprietary media called StrataPore since the early 1990's out of the Cookeville, TN facility...obviously it has evolved some over the years and our media engineers have improved the grades over time, but the idea is still the same from those early days. It is a multi-layered media that provides gradient filtration...each layer targets finer and finer contaminants to provide high efficiency particle removal while also providing low flow restriction and high capacity; this balance between efficiency/capacity/restriction is critical in designing the optimum filter. The cool thing about StrataPore is that it is 100% polymeric/synthetic meaning the fibers are continuous and won't degrade over time because they are highly resistant to liquids and use no resins or glues to hold broken fibers together like how cellulose and micro-glass media types are constructed.

As far as I know, we don't really use StrataPore in light duty applications today...maybe in some legacy RAM truck applications, but I would have to check part numbers. While there are Fleetguard crosses to light duty/passenger cars, that pass car world is a whole different ball game in terms of volume and profits so we don't really play in that space as much as companies like Mahle, Mann + Hummel, etc.

I ran a Fleetguard Stratapore on my 5.4L Ford "back in the day" (you guys had a cross):
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One thing I noted was that unlike the AMSOIL EaO and FRAM Ultra, this filter didn't have a silicone ADBV.

You also have one that fits the Ford Windsor family (FL-1A cross) that I used last year on our boat.

Would you guys consider upgrading the ADBV to silicone or has testing shown that isn't necessary?
 
I ran a Fleetguard Stratapore on my 5.4L Ford "back in the day" (you guys had a cross):
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One thing I noted was that unlike the AMSOIL EaO and FRAM Ultra, this filter didn't have a silicone ADBV.

You also have one that fits the Ford Windsor family (FL-1A cross) that I used last year on our boat.

Would you guys consider upgrading the ADBV to silicone or has testing shown that isn't necessary?

Overkill I agree but also don't want 2 or 3 quarts draining on me as I change the oil in my Cummins Ram. :ROFLMAO: In the 2012 you lay under the filter to change it... On my diesel I'm not sure it makes a huge difference, other cars I agree...

Just my $0.02
 
So the local transit agencies here are specifying FuelPro fuel filters on their newest bus fleets, the same ones I’ve seen on Cummins-powered Freightliners and Peterbilt P&D trucks as well as Autocar and Volvo trash trucks. There’s a Fleetgard element in those. I’ve thought FuelPro was exclusively a Detroit Diesel thing, or Cummins is supplying the filter element for them?
 
So the local transit agencies here are specifying FuelPro fuel filters on their newest bus fleets, the same ones I’ve seen on Cummins-powered Freightliners and Peterbilt P&D trucks as well as Autocar and Volvo trash trucks. There’s a Fleetgard element in those. I’ve thought FuelPro was exclusively a Detroit Diesel thing, or Cummins is supplying the filter element for them?
Good question. Cummins Filtration and DAVCO have a strategic alliance...DAVCO makes the housings, Cummins Filtration supplies the Elemax filter elements that go in the housings. Even the private branded Detroit Diesel filter elements are made by Cummins Filtration, in fact. DAVCO makes a range of Pro series housings for different vehicle/equipment applications...DieselPro, FuelPro, IndustrialPro and SeaPro. Typically DAVCO units are more expensive than the competitive offerings from Racor/Parker, but the DAVCO/Fleetguard combo is capable of much longer service intervals with higher filtration efficiency/water separation efficiency.
 
Jay, curious as to your thoughts about using the the LF9028 Venturi oil filter in place of the Std.LF3972 & Upgrade LF16035 on a Cummins 6.7L in Ram HD Trucks?

Good question... I have 3 LF16035 waiting to go on. IIRC it is the Strataphore version of LF3972.

Just my $0.02
 
Jay, curious as to your thoughts about using the the LF9028 Venturi oil filter in place of the Std.LF3972 & Upgrade LF16035 on a Cummins 6.7L in Ram HD Trucks?
I used them on my '06 5.9 Ram 3500, the last one I put on is still on it (sold the truck to my brother, he would bring it over to change the oil). It worked fine for me. Assuming the 6.7 ISB has the same specs as the 5.9?
 
Jay, curious as to your thoughts about using the the LF9028 Venturi oil filter in place of the Std.LF3972 & Upgrade LF16035 on a Cummins 6.7L in Ram HD Trucks?
I suspect the difference between the LF9028 and LF16035 are very minimal. I see that the LF9028 is a StrataPore + Venturi Combo filter, which we still make a lot of HD lube filters using that technology...it was very popular through the 2000's in many Fleetguard lube filters. I'll check the technical specs on the LF16035 tomorrow when I'm on my work computer to see if I can see any major differences, but gut check tells me you'd be fine using the LF9028. Is there a reason you want to try the other one out?
 
There a hotshot type driver that moves campers all across America and Canada that uses the 9028 in his 97 with the 5.9 and does oci of 25-30000k. It works very well but is alot more money to get. But for a $20000 plus motor, it's all good I think. I have the 16035 on mine now. Next up is the Donaldson DLB7349.
 
I got a deal on them somehow, might have been Filter Barn or similar, they were around $20 each. Don't think you'll find them that cheap now. Edit-wow-$34-$70! Wish I'd bought more!
Only reason I got a couple was a previous 6.7L Cummins owner had traded in on a Powerstroke. He had four LF9028 left over plus, four FS53000 fuel filters. All for $100, I couldn’t hand him the money fast enough 😂.
 
Hi Jay, I've been curious about using a Fleetguard filter on the wife's 2012 Elantra seeing as though I can get employee pricing on it and keep things more in house. The website states that the Fram PH9688 crosses to an LF16224, but lists hardly any info on it. I was wondering if you were able to get any efficiency info or filter media type for the LF16224? From what I've gathered so far on the website, the LF16xxx part #'s are a synthetic media. But not sure if that is 100% accurate across the range.

Oddly enough a WIX 51334, for the same vehicle, crosses to an LF3462. It does list efficiency rating for that filter, but looks to be about on par with a Fram Extra guard.
 
Hi Jay, I've been curious about using a Fleetguard filter on the wife's 2012 Elantra seeing as though I can get employee pricing on it and keep things more in house. The website states that the Fram PH9688 crosses to an LF16224, but lists hardly any info on it. I was wondering if you were able to get any efficiency info or filter media type for the LF16224? From what I've gathered so far on the website, the LF16xxx part #'s are a synthetic media. But not sure if that is 100% accurate across the range.

Oddly enough a WIX 51334, for the same vehicle, crosses to an LF3462. It does list efficiency rating for that filter, but looks to be about on par with a Fram Extra guard.
Hey there. I can dig into this next week when I'm on my work laptop...should be able to pull some detailed specs for you.
 
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