Improved Oil Comparison Chart

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I wish the HTHS for Valvoline Synpower was available, because the low NOACK number stands out from the rest.

2.9 for the 5w30 Synpower. (via email from them)


Thanks for the info. That's right at the low limit allowable for a 30-weight according to the API specs.

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf

No, not joking at all. Just interested in getting your chart to reflect the real values that Valvoline provides.

I may have undiagnosed dyslexia for all I know, but that link clearly reads 8% for 10w30 and 10.5% for the 5w30. I cant find any grade of Valvoline Synpower that has a NOACK of "less than 15%" for the spec.

That PDS says exactly what RamFan has posted. I'd say it's either time to see a therapist about that dyslexia, or an ophthalmologist about your eyes.

P.S.: You do recognize that the NOACK figures are shown on the 11th line down, on the "Test" chart at the bottom of page 1, right? (Not trying to be an @ss, just trying to decipher how you're missing such an obvious number.)

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf

No, not joking at all. Just interested in getting your chart to reflect the real values that Valvoline provides.

I may have undiagnosed dyslexia for all I know, but that link clearly reads 8% for 10w30 and 10.5% for the 5w30. I cant find any grade of Valvoline Synpower that has a NOACK of "less than 15%" for the spec.

That PDS says exactly what RamFan has posted. I'd say it's either time to see a therapist about that dyslexia, or an ophthalmologist about your eyes.

P.S.: You do recognize that the NOACK figures are shown on the 11th line down, on the "Test" chart at the bottom of page 1, right? (Not trying to be an @ss, just trying to decipher how you're missing such an obvious number.)



IDK what is going on here. I CAN read the chart and the values I see are different.

The NOACK, wt loss % is listed as 11.5 for the 0w20, 10 for the 5w20, 10.5 for the 5w30 and 8 for the 10w30

I dont understand how we can be looking at the same PDS and seeing different values. Not trying to be an @ss either, but those are the numbers I see on the linked PDS from Valvoline.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I wish the HTHS for Valvoline Synpower was available, because the low NOACK number stands out from the rest.

2.9 for the 5w30 Synpower. (via email from them)


Thanks for the info. That's right at the low limit allowable for a 30-weight according to the API specs.

In fact, technically it has to be greater than 2.9cP.
I'm just wondering if Valvoline is just doing what Castrol does and provide the tech' minimums. One way to know for sure would be to get the HTHS vis spec's for some of their other grades such as the 10w30 Synpower (it should be somewhat higher) and their 0W-20 and 5W-20 grades.

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
IDK what is going on here. I CAN read the chart and the values I see are different. The NOACK, wt loss % is listed as 11.5 for the 0w20, 10 for the 5w20, 10.5 for the 5w30 and 8 for the 10w30. I dont understand how we can be looking at the same PDS and seeing different values. Not trying to be an @ss either, but those are the numbers I see on the linked PDS from Valvoline.

I just clicked on the link and did a copy of line 11 of the "Test" chart at the bottom of page 1, and this is what I got...

Note: I've added the stars (*) to align the columns.

Originally Posted By: Valvoline Synpower PDS

Test ****************** 0W-20 * 5W-20 * 5w30 * 10w30
NOACK, wt. % loss ****

 

[LS2JSTS]

When I click on the PDS link, these are the numbers I see...

Typical Properties
0W-20
5W-20
5w30
10W-30
Viscosity @ 100 C, cSt
8.8
8.65
10.5
10.5
Viscosity @ 40 C, cSt
47
48
59
64
Viscosity Index
170
160
169
153
Specific Gravity @ 60 F
0.84
0.85
0.85
0.86
Density, lbs/gal
7.0
7.1
7.1
7.2
Total Base Number (D2896)
8.3
8.3
8.3
8.3
Flash COC, deg C
220
221
223
223
Pour Point, deg C
-45
-45
-42
-42
CCS @ deg C, cP
4800@-35
4000@-30
4000@-30
4000@-25
MRV @ deg C, cP
20,000@-40
13,500@-35
18,600@-35
13,700@-30
NOACK, wt % loss
11.5
10
10.5
8

It's a mystery to me...I dont see a spec of less than 15 for any grade listed. This is baffling to me...what is going on here?

 

[rshunter]

Here is a screen image of what we're seeing...

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: rshunter
Here is a screen image of what we're seeing...

I'm at a loss here, I am no computer expert but I have no idea how this is possible. Here is a screen cap for what I see when I click the link...

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I'm not sure if the Valvoline NOACK numbers in this chart are correct.

The PDS at the website lists the loss as 8% for the 10w30 and 10.5% for the 5w30.

That PDS has an effective date of 4/22/2010. Are the NOACK numbers you provided from a newer PDS sheet?

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf

You are saying that the PDS you're looking at has an effective date of 4/22/2010, right? The one we're seeing at that link says this...

Originally Posted By: Valvoline Synpower PDS
Effective Date: 12-15-10
Replaces: 1-22-09
Code: Rev 008


Wait, I don't know how you're seeing it at that link, but I do know what you're seeing. I just took a look at an older PDS that I have on file and it gives the following values...

NOACK, wt. % loss
0W-20 = 11.5
5W-20 = 10
5w30 = 10.5
10W-30 = 8

This PDS info is...

Originally Posted By: Valvoline Synpower PDS
Effective Date: 1-22-09
Replaces: 8-27-08
Code: Rev 007


Somehow, you're seeing the old PDS that has been superseded.

CORRECTION: I do know how you're seeing it. You're getting a cached page that hasn't been updated. Are you using some kind of web accelerator that uses cached pages?

 

[LS2JSTS]

Thats why my original post asked the OP what the effective date was for the PDS he was seeing. Mine says 4/22/2010 when I click on the link I posted...and when I go to the Valvoline site that is the PDS that comes up. I see now the PDS you capped has the Dexos spec as well, mine doesn't.

Mystery solved I guess...but I still dont understand how you guys are seeing something different from the same link????

 

[rshunter]

Check the bottom of my last post...

 

[LS2JSTS]

Yes 4/22/2010 effective date...

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: rshunter
Check the bottom of my last post...


To be honest...IDK. I'm no computer guru at all, in fact I had to learn how to do a screen cap and how to post a pic on here. Even went so far as to open a photobucket account. These are the first pictures I've ever loaded anywhere.

Whats odd, if I go to the Valvoline site right now, the PDS that comes up is the 4/22/2010 PDS, not the PDS you guys are apparently seeing.

Thanks for the clarification...at least I learned a few things about posting pics today!

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Check the bottom of my last post...
To be honest...IDK. I'm no computer guru at all, in fact I had to learn how to do a screen cap and how to post a pic on here. Even went so far as to open a photobucket account. These are the first pictures I've ever loaded anywhere.

Whats odd, if I go to the Valvoline site right now, the PDS that comes up is the 4/22/2010 PDS, not the PDS you guys are apparently seeing.

Thanks for the clarification...at least I learned a few things about posting pics today!

Click on "Start" > "Control Panel" > "Programs" > "Programs and Features", then browse through your program list. If you have one, it'll probably use the term "Accelerator". Then there's always the possibility that it is related to your internet provider.

P.S.: You might find CCleaner to be very beneficial. Take a look at it, and if you have any questions feel free to PM me. CCleaner is free, BTW. The price they list is simply a "recommended" donation amount.

 

[dakota99]

I've tried and tried but i cannot get the 12/15/10 PDS to load anywhere. The latest i can get is 4/22/10 without dexos1. I don't have any cache programs or anything like that setup.

Do you guys have some special inside access?

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: dakota99
I've tried and tried but i cannot get the 12/15/10 PDS to load anywhere. The latest i can get is 4/22/10 without dexos1. I don't have any cache programs or anything like that setup.

Do you guys have some special inside access?

Check the last few posts of mine and see if anything would apply. You could also try clicking on, at the top right of your screen, "Tools" > "Internet Options" > "Delete" (under "Browsing history" on the "General" tab). To be honest, I wouldn't expect it to fix it, but I've seen stranger things happen...

 

[dakota99]

I tried to clear both my cookies and cache, but nothing fixed it. Although i did find that if you go to google, type in the search "synpower 12/15/10" the first result should be the PDS. If you click directly on the link, it will still go to the 4/22/10 version, but clicking "Quick View" will load the new one. The second search result is all climate, and it was also updated on 12/15/10.

Strange.

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: dakota99
I tried to clear both my cookies and cache, but nothing fixed it. Although i did find that if you go to google, type in the search "synpower 12/15/10" the first result should be the PDS. If you click directly on the link, it will still go to the 4/22/10 version, but clicking "Quick View" will load the new one. The second search result is all climate, and it was also updated on 12/15/10.

Strange.

Either your provider is using cached pages or one of your programs is. Check the settings under "Browsing history", on the "Internet Options" page. Make sure it is set to automatically check for newer pages. Then ensure you don't have a web accelerator program. Google use to offer one that a lot of people still have.

 

[RamFan]

Well guys, this is weird as [censored]. I got the new version by going to the Valvoline website and clicking on the PDS link that they have under the SynPower page. Maybe you guys can get the new one to load by doing it that way. Anyway, glad the mystery has been solved.

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I wish the HTHS for Valvoline Synpower was available, because the low NOACK number stands out from the rest.

2.9 for the 5w30 Synpower. (via email from them)


Thanks for the info. That's right at the low limit allowable for a 30-weight according to the API specs.

Yes. But it works so well it doesn't bother me any.
They may just be reporting their "generic" minimun spec, too.