I know. And I do it. Aussie, border, pittie, GSD, Husky mix = very smart, very trainable. But wants to WORK, needs a JOB with a huge prey drive and more herding instinct. Actually she is 100% gentle with cats and doesn't chase cars- but garden cart, ZT mower she has a bonkers thing for because she can't help. I mean she will carry garden tools and such. She's been to class. Walks great. Place = perfect. Jumps on command. Come is easy. So yeah I was kinda kidding, but still, I'm old!
Yep, though I wouldn't equate this with being "dumb". Learning is a lifelong exercise, or should be. Ignorance isn't stupidity; intelligence isn't a measure of how much you do or don't know, it's predominantly a measure of comprehension and problem solving, at least in the general sense as to how we glean this through IQ.
IMO, intelligence is, or is strongly linked to, being open minded. Just my 2 cents. Of course there's that "curiosity" thing as well...
Being open minded is of no benefit if you can't comprehend the different positions though ("that's just how she goes byes" is not an equivalent to "a brief history of time"). It's of course multi-faceted, but the traditional measure of intellect (IQ) is primarily based on our ability to comprehend things, and to solve problems. Whether one can apply those things practically, like the examples that @ATex7239 mentions, are not in-scope of what is tested for, but I think are important considerations. People with high functioning ASD often score above average on IQ tests, but are challenged/stymied by day-to-day interactions and social cues. My sister teaches theoretical mathematics (and has her doctorate in it) but is socially and emotionally illiterate.
Yeah, when you're (or I ) was in high school you think you have life figured out. I'm 43 now and wish I knew way more than I do.
When I used to work in the field I worked with this guy who aced all of the tests to certify us for various job tasks. Guy was a straight up genius. However I remember one job in particular where he couldn’t read a simple drawing and analyze test results to troubleshoot why equipment was failing. I had to help him walk step by step through it. Unfortunately I came across very insulting I think because I was asking questions he couldn’t answer. Ultimately I found that he was testing the equipment incorrectly. He could read manuals and take a test, but he struggled with how to implement his knowledge in the real world vs the abstract.
There was a guy in my HS class who, while not valedictorian, was the smartest, IMO. I ran into him years later in line to buy Rolling Stones tickets; he was wearing a dirty Chevron Station uniform. His Dad owned the station; he worked there. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I was sure he would have been a some kinda high end grad.
Yes, I learned that lesson quite a few decades ago. Those that were acing tests in high school and meeting that definition of "smart", were not the kids that went on to change the world. Being able to memorize and regurgitate information to pass tests is not the same as being able to think or create.
I wouldn't consider either of those men as fitting your provided definition of "open minded", but they thinks differently, and that's an important distinction. I wouldn't consider Musk a well of empathy, same with Gates. Many of these people that attain staggering levels of success are actually quite the opposite of empathetic, it takes a certain cutthroatedness to get to that level, very few are from the same mold as Carnegie.
I'm not sure I agree. Sure successful people do things differently, as illustrated by Mr Musk and Mr Gates in earlier posts. New, by definition, requires change and different. But that does not mean they did not listen to many points of view to formulate their path forward.
Yes, inherent to critical thought.
