I'm about to switch over to fiber, questions.

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So what is involved in switching over to Fiber from Copper?


Will they use the same wiring in my house as I did with Copper, or will they have to run in new wires? I understand that fiber needs a local power supply, so can they use the 4 wire conductor cable that is installed in my house?

I got a two conductor from the "grey" telco box, that is my DSL, the other line is a 4 wire and it is just phone only. Will I be able to make phone calls during lighting storms with fiber, where it was dangerous with copper?

Will there be a problem with my fax machine?
 
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Boy I thought you were going to talk about eating more fiber. You should get 25-30 grams of fiber in your diet every day.

Not sure how they'd actually do it, I guess if they bring fiber to your home, you can still connect to it with a copper network port. Fiber ports are more expensive. And if they bring fiber to your home then talk away during lighting storms. Otherwise if they bring it close to your home and just run a copper gigabit connection to your home, then you've still got an electrical pathway for lighting to flow through.
 
My local fiber supplier installed a power supply in the house to feed the modem outside. HS internet and phone. The modem has a connection to the old copper internal phone wires. A ground is a ground - is a ground. The only problem I have with FO phone is it is a VOIP system.
 
My FIOS works like this: Fiber runs to the house, where it goes into a computer (literally...). From that device, the internet and TV signals go over your existing Co-ax and the phone signal goes over your existing phone line.

Phone is VOIP. Battery back-up for the outside box/computer is provided by a 12V lead-acid and only the VOIP works on back-up power.

Internet speed is 80+ MBPS. Reliability is excellent. I just renewed after two years of FIOS. I'm very happy with the service.
 
I thought this was gonna be a thread about WheatChex and Wheaties.
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It all depends on your service provider, region, and type of equipment in your neighborhood.

First of all, some phone providers will advertise some of the newer DSL technologies such as VDSL as fiber even though they are still copper. In that case they will just change your DSL modem and leave just about everything else along as long as your inside wiring is in good shape. The rest of this post deals with real fiber.

Your Internet Service Provider will install an ONT (Optical Network Terminal). In most cases, this goes on the outside of the house and replaces the current NID where the copper phone wires come in. They will install a new weather proof enclosure and will run power to the ONT using a power supply that is installed indoors (feeding the ONT using low voltage DC over a new cable they will install)

From the ONT to your router, they will need CAT 5 Ethernet or better. So if you have the old untwisted quad wires then that will have to go. The wire will need to be clean, ideally with no splices, and a dedicated run (no daisy chaining phone jacks). This does not have to be in the same room as the power supply that feeds the ONT... in many homes, they will put the ONT power supply in the garage and the router somewhere else in the house.

Now in some cases, providers are starting to use indoor ONTs which bring the fiber straight into your house. They will still replace the old copper NID as there is a legal requirement for a demarcation and grounding point. Yes, fiber must be grounded even though it is glass... there is a a metal tracer wire on the fiber going into your home which is used for utility location (underground) or strengthening against wind and ice (above ground wiring).

I wouldn't consider fiber safer during a storm because there's still a connection to copper for power. Using a cordless handset will be safe. One thing to be aware of is power backup... your phone provider should have backup power. You will, however, need to keep your ONT (and router if your phone is VoIP) powered up for all services to work properly. The ONT that AT&T installed for me didn't come with a backup battery but I bought one from Batteries Plus. My other equipment is powered by a regular computer UPS. For long power outages, you need a generator or need to get creative with bigger batteries.

As for your fax line, it should work without problems. When you move to fiber, your provider may move your line to a VoIP based product. However, the phone will be prioritized over other Internet traffic and stays within the provider's managed network, so it is different than a typical Internet based phone service (like Vonage).

Again, it is hard to say for sure because it all depends on your service provider.
 
Here's our experience with Verizon FiOS:

They ran a fiber optic line from the pole (distribution) to our house. The fiber line was physically tied to the copper line so it followed the same route. The copper wiring was disconnected at the house.

They hung a box outside the house, it's a reasonably small, plastic, weather-tight enclosure. It contains the solid state laser receiver and transmitter for the fiber. It also contains a small computer for demodulating and modulating the signals from and for the fiber. The box has a coax for the modem and TV, it also has a twin wire for the phone and wiring to receive power.

They installed a box inside the house, it's a small plastic enclosure with a snap-on cover for the battery. It contains a battery and power management circuitry. This box feeds power to the outside computer. The battery provides back-up for about 8 hours of phone operation. The battery is a small sealed lead-acid type typically used in alarm systems and whatnot. As a side note, if the outside computer has to be reset, both the AC adapter and battery have to be disconnected, although we never had to do that. The box also contains and alarm beeper and LED to indicate when the batter needs to be replaced. We have replaced the battery once.

Aside the box inside the house is a small AC adapter that is plugged into a standard wall outlet. It provides low voltage DC for the box above.

Wiring comes from the outside box and connects to the distribution block for the phone system inside the house (existing wiring).

A coax comes from the outside box and goes to a splitter. From there one coax goes to the modem for our house computer network. A second coax goes over to the TV, a set-top box (they supplied) controls channel selection and feeds the signal to our TV.

As was noted above, installations vary. I seem to remember a co-worker describing his installation as one box, inside the house, with all the above inside it. But that was an earlier installation and I understood our installation to be a newer one with the components modularized in a somewhat logical fashion.
 
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Phones, answering machines and fax machines connected to the phone wiring inside the house will "see" it as a typical phone connection and should work seamlessly.
 
I have AT&T gigapower. My home has actually had fiber since it was built in 2007. Fiber comes to the outside of my home. There is an ONT on the outside of my home. It converts the fiber to copper. An Ethernet cable comes into my home to the residential gateway. It drives my RJ11 phone jacks, coax cable to the DVR and other TV boxes, and is the WiFi and wired network switch for Internet.
Hope that helps.
 
I've been thinking of switching over. I've never understood it, but they installed fiber to my house, and installed what looks like a modem in my basement. I think it's all hooked up, just have to call and make the switch.

I'm waiting until they pay me to switch.
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On my DSL they kept sending us offers for faster service, and we waited until they gave us an upgraded speed that cost less than the previous package--I suspect they were desperate to get us to change over, as one of the last holdouts.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I thought this was gonna be a thread about WheatChex and Wheaties.
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Merk, those fake fibers will actually irritate your 'roids... :-P
how about a nice cart full of veggies? you also get the exercise from the end of the store to cashier, to your vehicle and to your house
and drink more water... you need to flush those meds from your stream.....
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Originally Posted By: jim302
It all depends on your service provider, region, and type of equipment in your neighborhood.

First of all, some phone providers will advertise some of the newer DSL technologies such as VDSL as fiber even though they are still copper. In that case they will just change your DSL modem and leave just about everything else along as long as your inside wiring is in good shape. The rest of this post deals with real fiber.

Your Internet Service Provider will install an ONT (Optical Network Terminal). In most cases, this goes on the outside of the house and replaces the current NID where the copper phone wires come in. They will install a new weather proof enclosure and will run power to the ONT using a power supply that is installed indoors (feeding the ONT using low voltage DC over a new cable they will install)

From the ONT to your router, they will need CAT 5 Ethernet or better. So if you have the old untwisted quad wires then that will have to go. The wire will need to be clean, ideally with no splices, and a dedicated run (no daisy chaining phone jacks). This does not have to be in the same room as the power supply that feeds the ONT... in many homes, they will put the ONT power supply in the garage and the router somewhere else in the house.

Now in some cases, providers are starting to use indoor ONTs which bring the fiber straight into your house. They will still replace the old copper NID as there is a legal requirement for a demarcation and grounding point. Yes, fiber must be grounded even though it is glass... there is a a metal tracer wire on the fiber going into your home which is used for utility location (underground) or strengthening against wind and ice (above ground wiring).

I wouldn't consider fiber safer during a storm because there's still a connection to copper for power. Using a cordless handset will be safe. One thing to be aware of is power backup... your phone provider should have backup power. You will, however, need to keep your ONT (and router if your phone is VoIP) powered up for all services to work properly. The ONT that AT&T installed for me didn't come with a backup battery but I bought one from Batteries Plus. My other equipment is powered by a regular computer UPS. For long power outages, you need a generator or need to get creative with bigger batteries.

As for your fax line, it should work without problems. When you move to fiber, your provider may move your line to a VoIP based product. However, the phone will be prioritized over other Internet traffic and stays within the provider's managed network, so it is different than a typical Internet based phone service (like Vonage).

Again, it is hard to say for sure because it all depends on your service provider.


This post covers it extremely well.

I will only add a couple points based on my experience:

1. There is not always a metal tracer wire and subsequent grounding via that means. In my dealing with telco's this seems to vary. Rogers runs 4-strand fibre with no tracer, can't recall what Bell uses off the top of my head. They ground the boxes directly usually.

2. Some ISP's provide an "all-in-one" device that acts as an ONT as well as providing the gateway, wireless, TV and VoIP services. Bell Atlantic uses these. Fibre comes into the premises and goes into the ONT, which is usually located where your NID was split, usually from a BIX, to provide your phone service. The outside connection to the NID is swapped over to the copper feed from the ONT and they hand you a sheet with the WiFi information and the username/password on how to go in and change this if you desire. This login is generally locked down and only gives you the ability to change local subnet info, SSID, encryption type and password.

An example of #2 would be this HG8245.
 
Wondering if I can do some ASCII art to describe this

+----COAX------TV Boxes
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+
RGONTTelco
+
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+----RJ11 backfeed to phone jack for home phone

The RG also serves as the WiFi hotspot and a switch for 4 wired Ethernet devices

The way my home was wired, the Coax from the RG goes to a splitter OUTSIDE my home. Before I had IPTV from uVerse, I had DirecTV. The installer replaced the splitter for good measure when I went from DirecTV to uVerse in 2010.

Hope this helps. It's been a while since I've tried some hand typed ASCII diagramming.
 
You guys SURE I will have to provide LOCAL power for the ONT????

http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/composite/Composite-OSP-Web-Series-5V/

They have ran new cable up to my home pedestal, but I'm still on copper, but this cable has copper built in.

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These cables combine copper and optical fiber technologies into one composite cable and are suitable for voice, video and data communications. The copper cable offers the option of providing network power to eliminate the cost of local powering. The wide range of copper and fiber counts make this cable ideal for most projects.

The construction of this product combines an ANAW OSP copper cable and a Series 51 optical fiber cable. These independent cables are simultaneously jacketed in a polyethylene outer jacket with a rip cord included for ease of entry. The web connects the cables and can be easily split to direct the cables to different locations.
 
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